Lowered Fentanyl overdoses

[Eldritch]

Fentanyl is safe and extremely effective when administered in the correct dosage by medical professionals

Yeah, there is no reason not to accept it in medical circumstances unless he has a pre-existing problem with opioids.

 

[two wheel tramp]

my dude recently underwent a medical procedure. when they let me into recovery with him, it broke my heart - how much pain he was in. the nurse said stand back, she was going to give him fentanyl. my response? grabbed her wrist and said, THE HELL YOU WILL!

I said the same thing to some EMTs when they offered me some while driving me to the hospital. They reassured me it wouldn’t kill me. It didn’t, obviously. I have no desire to try that again.

 

[easy wind]

One problem with surgical propofol is that it resets the opiate threshold so high that lesser drugs won’t touch the bad pain until weaned off that pain via other very strong meds titrating down over time. No one should suffer needlessly, these meds can be administered properly.

 

[littlebeast]

I said the same thing to some EMTs when they offered me some while driving me to the hospital. They reassured me it wouldn’t kill me. It didn’t, obviously. I have no desire to try that again.

yeah - he never takes anything for pain, regardless of how bad it is. he’ll occasionally take an anti inflammatory, but that’s it. he was non-responsive when the nurse tried talking to him, so i stopped her from giving him the fentanyl. he knew i was there, and he would have been pissed at me later if i hadn’t have stopped her.

 

[900ss]

yeah - he never takes anything for pain, regardless of how bad it is. he’ll occasionally take an anti inflammatory, but that’s it. he was non-responsive when the nurse tried talking to him, so i stopped her from giving him the fentanyl. he knew i was there, and he would have been pissed at me later if i hadn’t have stopped her.

Good on you, and happy for your dude that you were there.

 

[Eldritch]

yeah - he never takes anything for pain, regardless of how bad it is. he’ll occasionally take an anti inflammatory, but that’s it. he was non-responsive when the nurse tried talking to him, so i stopped her from giving him the fentanyl. he knew i was there, and he would have been pissed at me later if i hadn’t have stopped her.

I used to do that until I had my first root canal with no anesthetic. I made it through, but have forever since changed my policy.

 

[easy wind]

Yeah I’ve been lucky and haven’t taken even aspirin or tylenol or any med in decades. But if I am ever sliced open I might ease up on that for bit. littlebeast I hope your dude recovers well and quickly.

 

[Melissa]

yes indeed.

 

[Lights_Guy3]

I got the "organic" stuff when I needed it, good ole morphine

I found I was "allergic" to morphine almost 20 years ago after a bad motorcycle wreck.

It crashed my blood pressure so fast. I nearly died in the ER from the morphine... The kicker is that I could feel it happening, got to experiencing my vision going dark, and I didn't even care because the morphine made me feel so good.

They did some things to make me not die and counteract the blood pressure loss, but now it's in my medical file: synthetic opioids only.

 

[Melissa]

Not the way you want to find out that you are allergic to morphine.

 

[Lights_Guy3]

Not the way you want to find out that you are allergic to morphine.

It's only scary when I look back on it.

Got to admit, when it's finally time to check out for good, I think a morphine overdose would be the way to go.

I didn't care at all that I was on my way out. All the warm tinglies, like being hugged on the inside, and purest DGAF feeling I've ever had - absolutely nothing mattered, and I was ok with that.

I can totally see why people like doing that stuff for fun.

 

[Provincial_sweater09]

One problem with surgical propofol is that it resets the opiate threshold so high that lesser drugs won’t touch the bad pain until weaned off that pain via other very strong meds titrating down over time. No one should suffer needlessly, these meds can be administered properly.

speaking of which I was given profopol few times for endoscopy - in hospital setting and by an anesthetist obviously - but oh boy did I love it! - The best 40 minutes of sleep on count of 5. Best of all - used to wake up refreshed as opposed to being groggy (typical of profopol).

 

[berth]

I was in the hospital and I was given morphine once.

I can safely say that I experience "Pain 11" while on morphine (it was quite acute).

I guess it did its job, but I didn't "enjoy" it at all.

I guess I'm simply not wired that way.

I remember being in the hospital another time, and my roommate when they asked their pain level would say 8. "I always say 8 so I can get the good drugs"..."Ok".

 

[Lights_Guy3]

I was in the hospital and I was given morphine once.

I can safely say that I experience "Pain 11" while on morphine (it was quite acute).

I guess it did its job, but I didn't "enjoy" it at all.

I guess I'm simply not wired that way.

I remember being in the hospital another time, and my roommate when they asked their pain level would say 8. "I always say 8 so I can get the good drugs"..."Ok".

My wife shares many stories about patients who calmly describe their pain level as a 10. Usually as they are busy fucking off on their phones.

If you aren't struggling to communicate, you are no where near a ten. People are funny.

 

[Kurosaki]

I think that any drug dealer selling fentynol laced drugs should be charged with murder, if one of their clients has died, or attempted murder.
The law shouldn't play with these people, they've killed far too many people.

Yes, I think the word being put out on how dangerous it is has and would certainly worked. Good for them in their efforts!

How would you go about enforcing that though? There's no paper trail with drug dealers. Local police might have their ear to the ground with known drug dealers but they'd still have to prove that in court. Sure some drug dealers are going to be dumb enough or get caught incriminating themself but other than that... Sure drug dealers get caught selling drugs but pinning anyone's death that is linked to drugs they were using seems like a really hard thing to do.

 

[Climber]

How would you go about enforcing that though? There's no paper trail with drug dealers. Local police might have their ear to the ground with known drug dealers but they'd still have to prove that in court. Sure some drug dealers are going to be dumb enough or get caught incriminating themself but other than that... Sure drug dealers get caught selling drugs but pinning anyone's death that is linked to drugs they were using seems like a really hard thing to do.

I think the laws have to change. If there is a concentration of fentynol among the drugs they're trying to sell (caught on them) that would most likely result in death, then clearly their care for others continued existence is non-existant. I'm fine with erasing people like that.

 

[nakedape]

I think that any drug dealer selling fentynol laced drugs should be charged with murder, if one of their clients has died, or attempted murder.
The law shouldn't play with these people, they've killed far too many people.

Yes, I think the word being put out on how dangerous it is has and would certainly worked. Good for them in their efforts!

That's already a thing climber. Requires reasonable proof of foreknowledge, like other customers dying. People have been charged with homicide because they did know, and kept selling.

would you also support liquor stores for being responsible for alcoholism? Alcoholism has killed far too many people.

There are some that state loudly they would, freedom of commerce be damned!

imagine if there was a federal government department that monitored illegal drugs for purity!

And doled them out to addicts accepting addiction treatment. Harm reduction, not even once!

I see those test strips at bars, and I think it's great.

What are you doing at bars that presumably sell alcohol? That shit can kill you girl!

Our kids all carry Narcan

Super common, kids are wised up. One pill can kill got real AF for zoomers, everyone knew someone. Anne Lamott wrote a powerful book about Marin kids and their pill parties. Parents, wait for it, de-pathologized the drug discussion to one of compassion and that pesky harm reduction snuck in and had an effect. Schools have been able to take down the one pill kill signs because kids aren't dropping to the ground on their way to their next class. One of my students ODed on shrooms at Disney and he's just fine. Chastened, but alive and well. Others from the past, passed.

I think the laws have to change. If there is a concentration of fentynol among the drugs they're trying to sell (caught on them) that would most likely result in death, then clearly their care for others continued existence is non-existant. I'm fine with erasing people like that.

I'm going to recommend you watch the season finale of Euphoria (S3) and get back to us. The dealer of justice makes a speech to his NA group about the dealers and shippers and chemical companies et cetera. Remember when China executed business leaders for contaminating formula and pet treats with melamine and there was world-wide scandal? An infinitesimal proportion of responsibility lies with the street dealer supporting their habit or taking huge risks for a criminal org because they have extremely limited options. Those people pay the price over and over until they are locked up, killed, or dead from their own habit. "Erasing" is unhelpful rhetoric and violent fantasy-land. And those no such thing as "fentynol", it's fentanyl. NIL!

 

[littlebeast]

My wife shares many stories about patients who calmly describe their pain level as a 10. Usually as they are busy fucking off on their phones.

If you aren't struggling to communicate, you are no where near a ten. People are funny.

one of my dude’s cousins is a nurse. she said it’s common to have patients not only exaggerate their pain level, but ask for specific meds, and specify the cc’s they want. he’s the opposite. he was on a business trip in china, and his appendix burst (diagnosed after being rushed to the hospital). he refused to let the chinese treat him, so his company medivact’d him back to the states. went straight to the emergency room when he landed - and he was in obvious extreme pain. the docs wanted to give him morphine. he told them no way, his pain level was a 2 (which was total bullshit). worst bit was, by that time they couldn’t operate (according to them, cutting into him at that point would have caused massive, life threatening abdominal infection). dudes a fucking animal. and lucky to be alive (at least until i murder him in his sleep).

 

[Abacinator]

I guess some people just aren't as affected by pain. But if it's that bad, give me all the drugs. I've got nothing to prove by toughing it out

 

[900ss]

so, morphine. 2 stories. Mine - I broke my tibia and fibula ice skating in Yosemite ages ago. After surgery to piece together the bone fragments I woke to lots of ice chips and a wonderful beef dinner in the hospital. I could self administer morphine for the pain, and the nurse told me that no matter how many times I pushed the button the dosage was limited. BUMMER! Next morning a nurse came in with a syringe sized to kill an elephant. Seeing my dinner plate sized eyes, and I guess knowing that I thought it was going in me, she told me that it was for the machine, not for me. Second story; watching my aunt die in hospital from morphine.