Big drop in kindergarden enrollment and birth rates across the country

[CrazyCooter]

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Barf is all moto people. Some are well behaved and some aren't. Keep in mind, if you don't like one thread, you can always just change the channel to another one. Some people are far more easily offended than others are... just like irl.

Absolutely! I i generally don't consume shit that isn't healthy.

 

[Rtmac]

i generally don't consume shit that isn't healthy.

I've heard about people like you.

 

[Eldritch]

I have. And maybe 20 years ago I would have laughed at it too. But we can grow the fuck up.

Have you slowed down on the road since 20 years ago too? I haven't.

 

[SFMCjohn]

If you think this space is full of what you describe above, you should visit the political discussion site on this forum. Your head would explode, as mine did, which is why I don't go there anymore.

We've had some recent threads about what you mention. Some of the solutions put forth have been to block those who are offensive or simply ignore threads that aren't to your liking. Don't respond to trolls who are trying to goad you into a fight.

This is the internet and people treat each other differently than they would face to face.
Don't expect an unemotional debate to stay that way for long. After the facts have been exhausted, the personal attacks begin.

I'm on BARF daily and have been for years. I've learned not to get caught up in discussions about politics, sex or religion because they are triggers to many.
I'm here to relax and learn and socialize, not to argue and raise my BP. I get enough of that at home.

I know Mr @CrazyCooter better than I know most BARFers, because he shows up regularly irl at BARF riding events, and I can say without fear of contradiction that if he chose to grace us with his presence in our groovy BARF poli-sink that it wouldn’t be his head that would be exploding.

 

[littlebeast]

Bicycle people are very possibly the worst people on earth, so that is pretty weird.

what’s pretty weird is for a member of an often maligned community (moto riders) to use that same sort of broad brush to malign another two wheeled community. i get that sensitivity is not among your kit, but logic often is. where’s the logic in fanning flames when personal safety, including senseless death is at risk?

 

[CrazyCooter]

This decal was on a vehicle I had in the shop......made me think about the haters.

 

[Mike95060]

Have you slowed down on the road since 20 years ago too? I haven't.

No. Im stronger and fitter than when I rode a motorcycle to work everyday. I Still have the same problems of trying not to get killed while doing it though.

 

[Rtmac]

This decal was on a vehicle I had in the shop......made me think about the haters.

As an athiest, I prefer living by the "What Would @SFMCjohn Do?" rule. Maybe someday I'll get there.

 

[SFMCjohn]

of course, SFMCjohn has faith that he’s bound for hell, mostly because that decal applies to him.

at least in our groovy BARF poli-sink I feel like I can talk about the mortal sins of despair and presumption and the theological implications of the block universe theory of time and the consequences of declining enrollment for the San Francisco Unified School District … so, there’s that.

 

[greenmonster]

This decal was on a vehicle I had in the shop......made me think about the haters.

Reconcile with your enemies and live in peace?
Love your neighbors?
Heal divisions?

No, those ideas are too radical, too subversive.

 

[nakedape]

Absolutely! I i generally don't consume shit that isn't healthy.

Judging from your list of owned bikes you are over-consuming some unhealthy mechanical shit, like, a lot of it...

of course, SFMCjohn has faith that he’s bound for hell, mostly because that decal applies to him.

at least in our groovy BARF poli-sink I feel like I can talk about the mortal sins of despair and presumption and the theological implications of the block universe theory of time and the consequences of declining enrollment for the San Francisco Unified School District … so, there’s that.

Declining enrollment is about much more than birth numbers. There is an impossible (for some) race to achieve in the current system. Prospective parents understand implicitly they cannot compete. "Helicopter" parenting, or lawn mowing as some now prefer, isn't a choice. It's a foundational practice that's been foisted onto parents for a few feverish decades and has had terrible outcomes for all participants. I've been listening to this book while sanding projects and it's truly a distillation of the problems we are causing ourselves told through the lens of perverse incentives and human group-think.

Sandel's The Tyranny of Merit was a good primer for this raw dogging. Even then, I was not prepared for the altering of my viewpoints and the implications it has for my role as an educator. The accretion of human capital (skills, knowledge, education, experience in the lexicon of my econ course) as a vaunted goal is incredibly corrosive taken to the extreme. And we have taken it there, creating what Markovits describes as "superordinate" workers. While it was easy to skewer the aristocracy and tear down their privilege (starting with the enlightenment), the highly educated, hard working entrepreneurs grinding 12 hours a day are unimpeachable despite lording over the 99.9%

Worth a read: https://stonecenter.uchicago.edu/events/book-talk-on-the-meritocracy-trap-by-daniel-markovits/

"But what if, both up and down the social ladder, meritocracy is a sham? Today, meritocracy has become exactly what it was conceived to resist: a mechanism for the concentration and dynastic transmission of wealth and privilege across generations. Upward mobility has become a fantasy, and the embattled middle classes are now more likely to sink into the working poor than to rise into the professional elite. At the same time, meritocracy now ensnares even those who manage to claw their way to the top, requiring rich adults to work with crushing intensity, exploiting their expensive educations in order to extract a return. All this is not the result of deviations or retreats from meritocracy but rather stems directly from meritocracy’s successes."

 

[Climber]

Meritocracy is a matter of perception and people who play politics found a way to take credit for other peoples' work and dumping their mistakes on others. I've seen this crap get steadily worse where people who spend 90+ percent of their energy to self-promotion moving up while the smarter people who put 100% of their energy into doing their job are getting left behind, not promoted and systematically undermined by the political players who are essentially useless.

What's really happened is that perception has eclipsed reality in importance so it's perception that's driving advancement, so the person that controls perception gets advanced in most cases.

 

[CrazyCooter]

Judging from your list of owned bikes you are over-consuming some unhealthy mechanical shit, like, a lot of it...

I'd say it's arguably still healthy if you can afford it, makes you happy, AND you never get injured/wreck?

 

[greenmonster]

I'd say it's arguably still healthy if you can afford it, makes you happy, AND you never get injured/wreck?

I get poked every once in a while for having a Hayabusa.
Haters gonna hate no matter what you do

 

[Holeshot]

Read through most of the thread and as is usual BARF style, came away with:

Meritocracy is a matter of perception and people who play politics found a way to take credit for other peoples' work and dumping their mistakes on others. I've seen this crap get steadily worse where people who spend 90+ percent of their energy to self-promotion moving up while the smarter people who put 100% of their energy into doing their job are getting left behind, not promoted and systematically undermined by the political players who are essentially useless.

What's really happened is that perception has eclipsed reality in importance so it's perception that's driving advancement, so the person that controls perception gets advanced in most cases.

Meritocracy in the capitalist world is a college degree then, masters degree. It's "proof of formal education" which is to say: proof one can follow the rules of the system they'll be pushed into. That is modern day "merit".

"Hold my beer"
- AI

Everything's going to change, dramatically so.

 

[augustiron]

That and they came from enough money to either pay for school, had a lot of money to pay for a great school, or at least had enough credit to get loans...

 

[Holeshot]

Either way, the thing (higher education) has turned into a racket. The current/coming cost/ value favors premium trades, IMO.

 

[Melissa]

No one can ever take away your education.....

 

[Climber]

No one can ever take away your education.....

IDK, I have a nephew who somehow didn't know that the college he went to for his masters isn Psychology wasn't acredited until he tried to get certified. 2 years and $$$$$ flushed down the toilet.

 

[CrazyCooter]

I get poked every once in a while for having a Hayabusa.
Haters gonna hate no matter what you do

I had a 1st Gen Busa back in 2002......Yep, its a heavy slow pig that doesnt turn.....Haters always gonna hate!