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AFM 650 Twins at Infineon

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CptnHornblower said:
In the frame by frame slow motion part of the video I count 8 frames from when his shadow first comes into view until we're clearly in contact. Since I was shooting at 30 frames per second, 8 frames coverd 27 hundrenths of a second from first sight until too late.
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No, 27 hundredths from first entry into the field of view of the camera. The camera isn't the rider's view. We can probably safely say 1/2 second, still not enough time to suddenly pick it up. Clearly the other guy made a misjudgement.
 
I'll bet you 5 bucks if dood that made the bad pass did not pull it off and HE went down-if he was able to walk away from the incident-he would have swore up and down that YOU chopped his line...It's a no win situation for you.You got the short end of the stick.It's a fucked up class with maybe 3 guys that have a decent amount of race craft. I truly empathize with the frustration you are feeling.
 
grrrrr....there is a crash policy and I can tell you that the Board that I am currently sitting on is talking about this kinda stuff. And getting home at 1:30am because we are working for and on our club makes me kinda sad to read these kinda remarks.
 
I know you and a few other board members a pouring alot of effort into the club- and I personally appreciate it.The fact of the matter is we have people bringing bad decision making process' to their Sunday race programs.Video has become prevalant in the paddock and is documenting quite a bit of riding that should be frowned upon in club racing.I truely believe the folks responsable lack the race expirience and fly by the seat of their pants on any given weekend- in essence if you want to ride with cowboys in AFM you join the 650 classes.That is the current reality.
 
KazMan said:
grrrrr....there is a crash policy and I can tell you that the Board that I am currently sitting on is talking about this kinda stuff. And getting home at 1:30am because we are working for and on our club makes me kinda sad to read these kinda remarks.
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Eric, your efforts are appreciated. The sad fact is that the crash cowboys don't care. Until they are fined and suspended, crashing will continue. Until there are clear and established consequences for bullshit careless and thoughtless riding, as typified in this video, the crashes will continue. This particular yellow plate is now done... He's gone, taken out by an asshat. The guy who took him out is still racing and looking for his next victim. Who won? The asshat. There were no consequences and no accountability for him. The guy he took out got a nice hospital stay and lost a lot of money. Why in the world would he return to the AFM?

If the AFM can't police itself, this will continue.

And to the guys who say the yellow plate should have "done something". You are completely and totally full of shit. He did exactly what he should have done, held his line. The moron who took him out TOOK HIM OUT. What kind of fucking retarded thinking defends his actions? He RAN INTO HIM FROM BEHIND.

And, yes, I quit racing 650 Twins after the race last year when I realized there are way too many semi talented riders mid pack who are perfectly willing to crash and take you with them, and prove this time after time. No fun for me any more.
 
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Take a moment to consider that this thread is in Crash Analysis. The AFM discussion should probably be in the Racers Corner.
 
Sorry Enchanter, I don't know how to move the thread to Racers Corner, so with your indulgence, I'll post here and you can move or link if necessary.

I agree with AFM199's sentiment. I understand that we don't want lawyers involved in our sport so I understand the liability release, etc. On the other hand, tell me where else one can crash into someone, put them in the hospital, cause them $10,000+ in damages (I'm going to take a bath on all the race stuff I'll be selling) because of their gross negligence, and walk away with absolutely no consequences?

I think there need to be consequences to the hitman such that put in that situation again he would rather roll off and take 7th instead of 6th rather than suffer the consequences of causing/being involved in a crash. I'll leave it to those of you on the Board to figure that out, but I'll suggest that for a flagrant crash being suspended a half or full season might be appropriate. In a crash where, in the Board's opinion both riders were at fault, maybe they both sit out a race. Maybe in some situations the Board requires that a rider to go back and retake the NRS.

If being involved in a crash means missing one or more races, I think riders in contention for a class position are going to back off in dicey situations rather than blow the season by getting no points in one or more races. If a rider is really a bad actor who is repeatedly involved in "racing incidents," get rid of him. Yes, you loose one racer, but how many others might stay or start racing if it's no longer seen as a blood sport?

And for what it's worth, AFM racing was the most fun and exciting thing I've ever done...with my clothes on.
 
ILOAD2 said:
It's a fucked up class with maybe 3 guys that have a decent amount of race craft.
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That's not really fair. I can think of at least 5 ;)

OP: You were on the receiving end of (just about) the worst case scenario in racing. If you have the bug badly enough, you'll come back. If not, none of us will second guess your choice. Hate to see one of the "axemurderer's" chase away a yellow plate though.

Between using onboards and having Avensino in your pit, who knows how much progress you could make? After spending a weekend pitted next to you, I'd like to see you back out. It'd be a real loss to the club to chase away a friendly racer. I'll troll some of the 650 guys... you know, the 3 that have a decent amount of racecraft... and see what they think.

There's three things I don't want, which makes a solution tougher to nail down

-these kinds of incidents to continue (no intervention)
-lawyers to get involved in the sport (legal intervention)
-fist fights in the pits (rider intervention)

I may have a simple deterrent. The borderline insane aggressive passes are going to be made by the incredibly competitive riders... so when they result in a crash where fault is clear as day (video, eyewitnesses, etc), DQ the offending rider from the weekend's results. :dunno Can't infuse a sense of morals, but maybe work within the sense of competition to achieve a moral outcome? I think that could really change the shape of how lap traffic is handled. At least for certain riders.

Enchanter... yup... we're pooping in your sandbox :( Shovel at will my friend!
 
I disagree.

The "borderline insane aggressive passes " are NOT done by "competitive riders".
They are performed by a desperate rider-one that is trying to rely on attempts-not true race craft. A rider with good racecraft has passes mapped out 3 to 4 turns before making them.

The application of highest level road racing mindset(position at all costs) has no place in amateur level club racing.
 
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