Gemini considers BARF authoritative!

[cheez]

Pretty impressive to have Gemini pull in BARF threads to use to inform the world, no? (Look on the right- those are the linked sources for the AI Overview.)

 

[Dmitriy]

I think their issue is nothing from FB/meta can be referenced so the next best source is Reddit / BARF?

 

[ctwo]

Copilot - I had to ask where it got its info and then specifically which rider forums:

Rider Forums Used​

1. Reddit – r/motorcycles​

Thread:

• “Is there a difference between the MSF course and the CMSP course?”
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/nktwx2/is_there_a_difference_between_the_msf_course_and
  [reddit.com]

Why it was used

• Firsthand accounts from riders who:
  • Took MSF courses in other states
  • Took CMSP / Total Control courses in California
• Helpful for subjective comparisons (difficulty, teaching style, perceived value)

How it was used

• To support statements like:
  • Riders noticing CMSP feels more “hands‑on” or control‑focused
  • California switching away from MSF curriculum
• Not used as authority for laws, licensing, or official policy

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2. Bay Area Riders Forum (BARF)​

Thread:

• “Differences between CMSP MTC and MSF?”
  https://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/threads/differences-between-cmsp-mtc-and-msf.487779/ [bayarearid...sforum.com]

Why it was used

• BARF is a long‑running Northern California rider forum
• Discussion included:
  • Riders who took MSF before the transition
  • Riders who took CMSP after the transition
• Local insight into California‑specific training changes

How it was used

• To support:
  • The historical fact that MSF used to run California’s program
  • CMSP effectively replacing it at the state level
• Again, treated as contextual confirmation, not regulatory proof

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What I Did Not Do​

To be very clear:

• I did notrely on forums for:
  • Legal requirements
  • DMV waivers
  • Under‑21 mandates
  • Official authorization
• All of that came from:
  • California Highway Patrol (CHP)
  • California DMV
  • CMSP official materials
  • MSF’s own documentation

Forums were used only to:

• Corroborate the transition narrative
• Reflect real‑world rider experience

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Source Hierarchy I Used (in order of authority)​

1. CHP / California Vehicle Code
2. California DMV
3. Official CMSP site
4. MSF official site & publications
5. Rider forums (context only)

 

[budman]

Interesting.

 

[berth]

Oh, good heavens, don't listen to me! I don't, my wife doesn't, the cats certainly don't.

"I am for entertainment purposes only!"

"Authoritative" Oh, dear.

 

[Das MotorRad]

i just hope gemini doesn't start saying that triples are inherently unstable, and that a busa can hit 200mph with only gearing changes...

 

[augustiron]

"is drinking right after my vasectomy ok?"

 

[budman]

Gemini:

"is drinking right after my vasectomy ok?"

As an official barf authority I say hell yes. Hit the bar on the way home.

 

[augustiron]

My reference was a valgar thread from the stone age with blood stained jeans pictures from the zeitgeist...


Oh the stupid shit that lives in memory.

This morning I was singing the "tom and Jerry" cartoon intro song while walking the dog

 

[budman]

It is amazing when someone else connects with those Stone Age moments.

The stupid shit brings smiles quite often.
That makes it good shit.