Into the gravel near the end of mines rd

[Sv2001]

Did a group ride with three people today and did great for most of the ride. Got to the last few turns before arriving in residential San Jose going around a slow left sweeping turn roughly at 10mph and for whatever reason I braked while in the turn and went straight off into the gravel then high sided into then dry grass. Luckily didn't get hurt just the sv right turn signal and cracked the right fairng with some scuffs on the rear panel. Learned my lesson and don't brake while leaning in a turn. Ride safe guys

 

[afm199]

Did a group ride with three people today and did great for most of the ride. Got to the last few turns before arriving in residential San Jose going around a slow left sweeping turn roughly at 10mph and for whatever reason I braked while in the turn and went straight off into the gravel then high sided into then dry grass. Luckily didn't get hurt just the sv right turn signal and cracked the right fairng with some scuffs on the rear panel. Learned my lesson and don't brake while leaning in a turn. Ride safe guys

How did braking contribute to your crash? I have no problem braking in a corner, it's a good technique if done properly. What happened exactly? Where were you looking? How hard did you brake?

 

[Sv2001]

Don't think I did it correctly Ernie but don't remember really just was going through the turn and may have tapped the front brake too hard and too late but the sv went upright and I went slowly straight off the road into the gravel. Almost saved it

 

[Enchanter]

Do you remember how you felt in the 2-3 minutes leading up to the crash?

 

[afm199]

Don't think I did it correctly Ernie but don't remember really just was going through the turn and may have tapped the front brake too hard and too late but the sv went upright and I went slowly straight off the road into the gravel. Almost saved it

A hard stab on the brakes in a corner will produce bad results usually. A soft input won't usually. Regardless of the situation, sudden and extreme inputs seldom have desirable outcomes.

 

[tzrider]

Do you remember how you felt in the 2-3 minutes leading up to the crash?

Enchanter may be leading up to a different point, but related to the above, do you recall what made you feel like you wanted to use the brakes in that turn?

A hard stab on the brakes in a corner will produce bad results usually. A soft input won't usually. Regardless of the situation, sudden and extreme inputs seldom have desirable outcomes.

Applying the front brake in a turn tends to stand the bike up; the harder the braking, the more forcefully the bike stands up. The tendency for the bike to stand up is manageable, but that's easier if you expect it to happen. OP, have you experienced the bike standing up under braking in the past or did this catch you by surprise?

 

[Sv2001]

Sv crash

Do you remember how you felt in the 2-3 minutes leading up to the crash?

Well I didn't eat much that morning so around the mins leading up to it exhaustion was settling in. This was my 4th time down mines rd and this time I was doing better through sweeping turns but around that time I just froze going through the turn

 

[Sv2001]

Enchanter may be leading up to a different point, but related to the above, do you recall what made you feel like you wanted to use the brakes in that turn?



Applying the front brake in a turn tends to stand the bike up; the harder the braking, the more forcefully the bike stands up. The tendency for the bike to stand up is manageable, but that's easier if you expect it to happen. OP, have you experienced the bike standing up under braking in the past or did this catch you by surprise?

Caught me by surprise for sure

 

[tzrider]

This was my 4th time down mines rd and this time I was doing better through sweeping turns but around that time I just froze going through the turn

Do you remember what made you apply the brakes in the turn? Did you feel as if you were going too fast?

What were you looking at as you applied the brakes? What did you look at when the bike stood up?

 

[Sv2001]

I think at that turn I wasn't looking through the turn and just got obejct fixated while looking back for my friend since it was his first time on mines rd

 

[tzrider]

That begs the question of whether the bike truly stood up on the brakes or whether you didn't quite complete the turn in. Can you say for sure?

 

[Shoobinah]

One of the better places to crash out there, how were the conditions? Did they finish paving the backside of my hamilton?

 

[auditude]

Glad to hear you're ok and are able to write about it vs. someone writing about it on your "behalf".

What was your approx entry speed, and, was it complacency because of your confidence (number of times on mines) or was it lack of concentration (exhaustion) which lead to the scrub?

Rethink the moments before as others have mentioned; it sounds as though you've already addressed AT LEAST one factor: exhaustion, which, combined with any of the other factors mentioned (brake input), is a recipe for a bad outcome.

Again, glad to hear you're ok.

OP - Please clarify if this was your fourth time down mines THAT day or in total. Thx

 

[thedub]

Did a group ride with three people today and did great for most of the ride. Got to the last few turns before arriving in residential San Jose going around a slow left sweeping turn roughly at 10mph and for whatever reason I braked while in the turn and went straight off into the gravel then high sided into then dry grass. Luckily didn't get hurt just the sv right turn signal and cracked the right fairng with some scuffs on the rear panel. Learned my lesson and don't brake while leaning in a turn. Ride safe guys

"don't brake while leaning in a turn" should not be your lesson. HOW to brake while leaning in a turn should be your lesson.

Click here for a good read by Nick Ienatsch about braking and cornering.

 

[BillSmith]

thedub-

Good read. Thanks for posting. Not a track rider, didn't grow up on dirt. After years of riding, I'm still horrible but upright. Partly because I've grown to do some of what Nick addresses.

Coming here to BARF a few years ago, I got lost in thinking I had to achieve the technique of a racer. Actually, so has helped, like getting off the bike a little, which on the Harley, keeps it upright enough to not drag the pipes.

Same experience learning to ski snow, a late in life task. Books tell you of the ideal. Theory is good, practice is better and applied science can't substitute for the reality of turning on asphalt or snow.

 

[Sv2001]

Glad to hear you're ok and are able to write about it vs. someone writing about it on your "behalf".

What was your approx entry speed, and, was it complacency because of your confidence (number of times on mines) or was it lack of concentration (exhaustion) which lead to the scrub?

Rethink the moments before as others have mentioned; it sounds as though you've already addressed AT LEAST one factor: exhaustion, which, combined with any of the other factors mentioned (brake input), is a recipe for a bad outcome.


Again, glad to hear you're qjok.

OP - Please clarify if this was your fourth time down mines THAT day or in total. Thx

Thanks for the input. I'd say over confidence with being tired. It was my fourth time riding mines rd but my first time ever going down in the 2 years I have been riding

 

[Sv2001]

One of the better places to crash out there, how were the conditions? Did they finish paving the backside of my hamilton?

There were tons of pebbles on the road in the start from the Livermore side and the turns had a good amount of dust so it was tricky riding around the blind turns