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WTB: Dualsport for A Dirt Doofus

NoneMoreBlack

NoneMoreBlack

flâneur
Joined
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Location
San Francisco
Moto(s)
SRX600, 900SS, HM1100SP, HP2 Sport
Name
Joe
Good morning BARF. My goal for 2024 is getting into more dirt, and that happens to coincide with hopefully an expansion in my available garage space soon.

For use case, if the stars align I'd be starting off using this bike for things like StonyBarf, Sheetiron, and eventually BDRs. So a plated dual sport.

Based on my extremely modest amount of experience in the dirt, I am looking for something that is more dirt oriented than street, I think in the 300 class.

So let's see what's crowding up space in the collective BARF garage!
 
I have a KLX 250, with a 300 cylinder & piston (oem), that I’ve been thinking to sell. (Bought a newer KLX 300)
It need a good cleaning, but is set up for Sheetiron type rides and such. Has the usual protection bits, and a rack on the back.
Happy to chat more, if this sounds interesting.


And if not, let’s at least chat about your SRX 6.
I have one as well, we should get a ride in. And I have a friend with a few as well. Maybe he can join.
 
I have a KLX 250, with a 300 cylinder & piston (oem), that I’ve been thinking to sell. (Bought a newer KLX 300)
It need a good cleaning, but is set up for Sheetiron type rides and such. Has the usual protection bits, and a rack on the back.
Happy to chat more, if this sounds interesting.


And if not, let’s at least chat about your SRX 6.
I have one as well, we should get a ride in. And I have a friend with a few as well. Maybe he can join.
 
I’ve been thinking of a Kawasaki Versys-X 300 for my new Sheetiron, StonyBARF, BDR, Death Valley, Baja and adventure-style BARF rally bike:

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people seem to enjoy the Yamaha WR 250R for the kind of CA fire road/watch-tower-touring/camping that I like to do …

are you thinking about riding from the city, or trailer/trucking somewhere and unloading the bike and then riding? :ride
 
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Eric B said:
I have a KLX 250, with a 300 cylinder & piston (oem), that I’ve been thinking to sell. (Bought a newer KLX 300)
It need a good cleaning, but is set up for Sheetiron type rides and such. Has the usual protection bits, and a rack on the back.
Happy to chat more, if this sounds interesting.


And if not, let’s at least chat about your SRX 6.
I have one as well, we should get a ride in. And I have a friend with a few as well. Maybe he can join.
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Hell yeah, are you in the SRX FB group?

stratslingr77 said:
Honda CRF300 Rally seems like a good bet for your criteria.
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I've been landing back on this over and over. They're the same price new as a lot of used D/S bikes I'm seeing, and if it's good enough for Itchy Boots...

SFMCjohn said:
I’ve been thinking of a Kawasaki Versys-X 300 for my new Sheetiron, StonyBARF, BDR, Death Valley, Baja and adventure-style BARF rally bike:

people seem to enjoy the Yamaha WR 250R for the kind of CA fire road/watch-tower-touring/camping that I like to do …

are you thinking about riding from the city, or trailer/trucking somewhere and unloading the bike and then riding? :ride
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What do I look like to you, some kind of quitter? ;P

I'd definitely want to stick with the D/S nature of the ride (both the Sheetiron and my future visions) and stay on two wheels the whole way. So while I'm a dirt noob, I think I want to balance the notion that this bike needs to be halfway useful on the highway, hence my looking into the 300-450 class, knowing that in the dirt I'll be happier/safer on a 250.
 
SFMCjohn said:
I’ve been thinking of a Kawasaki Versys-X 300 for my new Sheetiron, StonyBARF, BDR, Death Valley, Baja and adventure-style BARF rally bike:

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people seem to enjoy the Yamaha WR 250R for the kind of CA fire road/watch-tower-touring/camping that I like to do …

are you thinking about riding from the city, or trailer/trucking somewhere and unloading the bike and then riding? :ride
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+1 for the impressive WR250R, fantastic bike with solid dirt leaning with cruzing at 70 perfectly fine.
 
NoneMoreBlack said:
Hell yeah, are you in the SRX FB group?



I've been landing back on this over and over. They're the same price new as a lot of used D/S bikes I'm seeing, and if it's good enough for Itchy Boots....
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BARF's own Mr. @Cabrito has been rocking a 300 Rally for a couple years now. I think he's pretty happy with his. Maybe he'll weigh in here.
 
Eric B said:
I have a KLX 250, with a 300 cylinder & piston (oem), that I’ve been thinking to sell. (Bought a newer KLX 300)
It need a good cleaning, but is set up for Sheetiron type rides and such. Has the usual protection bits, and a rack on the back.
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This looks like a solid choice and potentially economical, and if you find you don't like this type of riding you might not have a big financial hit.

stratslingr77 said:
Honda CRF300 Rally seems like a good bet for your criteria.
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I sure like mine, but not sure this is the best choice if you end up dropping it a lot while learning unless you slap on a bunch of protection like crash bars. The Plastics can get pretty beat up, but if you're okay with the rough and ready look then it's a good choice in my biased opinion :teeth. It's OK on the highway, but barely halfway useful at speeds above 65mph.

SFMCjohn said:
I’ve been thinking of a Kawasaki Versys-X 300 for my new Sheetiron, StonyBARF, BDR, Death Valley, Baja and adventure-style BARF rally bike:

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are you thinking about riding from the city, or trailer/trucking somewhere and unloading the bike and then riding? :ride
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:thumbup Kawasaki for life! The Versys 300 will be great on those long freeway stretches, but how much fun will it be chugging up Mt Patterson?

NoneMoreBlack said:
What do I look like to you, some kind of quitter? ;P

I'd definitely want to stick with the D/S nature of the ride (both the Sheetiron and my future visions) and stay on two wheels the whole way. So while I'm a dirt noob, I think I want to balance the notion that this bike needs to be halfway useful on the highway, hence my looking into the 300-450 class, knowing that in the dirt I'll be happier/safer on a 250.
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Don't judge me guys for putting my Rally on my hauler and driving to big rides. :) Could I ride my Rally up to Stonyford to ride the SI? Sure I could, but I have no shame and since I can haul it places I occasionally do. :x

For me true dual sports just aren't well suited to mile munching at freeway speeds.

I do love my Rally and it's great for long rides, but it prefers the secondary roads over the big interstate for sure.
 
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I am on the SRX FB group. Got to ride with Mr Ichijo & friends last fall, around the North Bay. 4 of us on SRX's. Such a treat.
 
Cabrito said:
Don't judge me guys for putting my Rally on my hauler and driving to big rides. :) Could I ride my Rally up to Stonyford to ride the SI? Sure I could, but I have no shame and since I can haul it places I occasionally do. :x

For me true dual sports just aren't well suited to mile munching at freeway speeds.

I do love my Rally and it's great for long rides, but it prefers the secondary roads over the big interstate for sure.
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I do the same sometimes.
To the Carizzo Plain - Yes, ride it. There's a fun route.
To Stonyford - in the truck
 
NoneMoreBlack said:
I've been landing back on this over and over. They're the same price new as a lot of used D/S bikes I'm seeing, and if it's good enough for Itchy Boots...
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yes, it's just too bad about the whole having-to-settle-for-a-Honda thing. :toothless

NoneMoreBlack said:
What do I look like to you, some kind of quitter? ;P
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:laughing:thumbup

attaboy! the trade off that I've made with riding a bike out of the city to the good stuff, is I don't do Sheetiron hard-splits, and I don't try to do single-track on my 400lb ADV street-bike.

the CRF 300 Rally might be hard-split and single-track worthy.

Starpower said:
+1 for the impressive WR250R, fantastic bike with solid dirt leaning with cruzing at 70 perfectly fine.
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+1, another hard-split worthy option, maybe.

Cabrito said:
:thumbup Kawasaki for life! The Versys 300 will be great on those long freeway stretches, but how much fun will it be chugging up Mt Patterson?
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god bless Kawasaki. will say that Mt Patterson is def way no fun on a pre-gen KLR, loaded for camping. :facepalm:clown

SFMCjohn said:
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The wind was blowing ... the moon was up and almost full ...
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sorta feelin' like my Mt Patterson daze are behind me ... :dunno

Eric B said:
I do the same sometimes.
To the Carizzo Plain - Yes, ride it. There's a fun route.
To Stonyford - in the truck
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there's a great dual-sport route from San Francisco to Stonyford via Lake Berryessa, Reiff/Rayhose Road, to Walker Ridge/Bear Valley. Or Pleasant Valley to Capay to Leesville to Stonyford. :ride

in any event, my vote for Mr NoneMoreBlack is the Honda CRF300 Rally. :gsxrgrl
 
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NMB, Is seat height a consideration for you?

32" + inseam you can ride.about anything, less and it can get interesting on a lot of bikes..
 
<--- From a guy who started riding to StonyBARF's on a KTM 640 Adventure:

You really want 2 bikes, a cheap 2 stroke you can beat the crap out of (YZ250 fans please chime in) at Hollister, Metcalf, Carnegie, Stonyford, Foresthill, Georgetown. Learn all the fun tricks of balancing in the dirt / mud / sand [take a few offroad lessons if you want] as it much easier to lift a 200lbs bike then a 400+lb one.....
Then for your sheetirons or BDR's you can get anything from the 300's already mentioned to a 350 Austrian bike to a DR650 etc....

A heavy bike will tire you quicker, meaning you will have less riding hours to practice all those fun skills, lifting it sucks [hows your back?] dropping it is expensive [unless you put a bunch of armor on it making it heavier & 'more fun to pick up'.... see the trend here?] blah blah, I could probably go on for hours.

If you want 1 bike which will do it all well and don't mind spending some $$ a KTM / Husky / GasGas 350 is hard to beat (its almost as good as that 2001 YZ250 just ask OaklandF4i).

If you want to test ride a 500 4T or a 300 2T at Hollister or something let me know.

EDIT And for your long term enjoyment, set the suspension sag on whatever you get with proper springs etc...
 
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Dmitriy said:
<--- From a guy who started riding to StonyBARF's on a KTM 640 Adventure:

You really want 2 bikes, a cheap 2 stroke you can beat the crap out of (YZ250 fans please chime in) at Hollister, Metcalf, Carnegie, Stonyford, Foresthill, Georgetown. Learn all the fun tricks of balancing in the dirt / mud / sand [take a few offroad lessons if you want] as it much easier to lift a 200lbs bike then a 400+lb one.....
Then for your sheetirons or BDR's you can get anything from the 300's already mentioned to a 350 Austrian bike to a DR650 etc....
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Haha, the classic answer to the "which bike" question: 2 bikes! How dare you threaten me with a good time =P

augustiron said:
NMB, Is seat height a consideration for you?

32" + inseam you can ride.about anything, less and it can get interesting on a lot of bikes..
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All good here, I am spindly and can just about flat foot my HM1100, which is like 35" or something

SFMCjohn said:
yes, it's just too bad about the whole having-to-settle-for-a-Honda thing. :toothless



:laughing:thumbup

attaboy! the trade off that I've made with riding a bike out of the city to the good stuff, is I don't do Sheetiron hard-splits, and I don't try to do single-track on my 400lb ADV street-bike.

the CRF 300 Rally might be hard-split and single-track worthy.
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To the extent that I know anything about riding dirt, it's that I'll be sticking to the easy splits, no matter what bike I land on :laughing

And yeah the "settling for a Honda" sensation has me looking maybe a little too seriously at 500EXCs on craigslist.....

Eric B said:
I am on the SRX FB group. Got to ride with Mr Ichijo & friends last fall, around the North Bay. 4 of us on SRX's. Such a treat.
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I was there! And as a bonus I am now friends with Den and their crew and they took us riding in Japan a couple years ago!!
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Ichijo-san was hustling that V-Max (as well he should considering he designed the damn thing) and Den lent me his GSXR1k. Set up for a rider about 12" shorter than me. On slicks. In the rain. First time riding on the wrong side of the road. With my wife on the back. In ill fitting loaner gear. It was a fun time!

Cabrito said:
Don't judge me guys for putting my Rally on my hauler and driving to big rides. :) Could I ride my Rally up to Stonyford to ride the SI? Sure I could, but I have no shame and since I can haul it places I occasionally do. :x

For me true dual sports just aren't well suited to mile munching at freeway speeds.

I do love my Rally and it's great for long rides, but it prefers the secondary roads over the big interstate for sure.
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Haha truly no shade thrown, I am well aware of my own masochism when it comes to the "why don't I just ride there" calculus.
 
Dmitriy said:
<--- From a guy who started riding to StonyBARF's on a KTM 640 Adventure:
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:thumbup

need a Mr thedub pic of Mr Dmitry's mighty KTM 640:

thedub said:
Classic Window Rock pictures.

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pro-tip for we aspiring n00bie dirt riders--beware of the advice from KTM riders/dirt bike racers. their advice is often excellent, but tends not to really be directed towards the uninitiated. :laughing:angel

another question--besides the inseam question--is how comfortable are you with wrenching?
 
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SFMCjohn said:
:thumbup

need a Mr thedub pic of Mr Dmitry's mighty KTM 640:



pro-tip for we aspiring n00bie dirt riders--beware of the advice from KTM riders/dirt bike racers. their advice is often excellent, but tends not to really be directed towards the uninitiated. :laughing:angel

another question--besides the inseam question--is how comfortable are you with wrenching?
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Ah good memories John, thank you for posting that!
You should see our van driving... :rofl:laughing

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^^ :thumbup

there we go ... now we're truly getting somewhere in this thread: as a n00bie dirt-bike aspirant, what van should I purchase to cart my various dirt-bikes around in?

perhaps Mr Cabrito will chime in about vans, too ... :laughing:angel

hope to see all our various four wheel haulers at StonyBARF in April! :party
 
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SFMCjohn said:
another question--besides the inseam question--is how comfortable are you with wrenching?
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Very, although I'm not particularly excited about the Requires Frequent Top End Rebuilds flavor, also hence my focus on D/S oriented models since as far as I can tell they are detuned a bit for longevity.
 
Aside from lacking a 6th gear or fuel injection or highway manners, the DRZ is a sweet starter. Pretty bomb proof, light-ish and capable-ish in the dirt and if you avoid highways it's fine, even in my case with a bigger rear sprocket to make it more fun on dirt. I've ridden the thing all the way to Oregon, done the OBDR and then ridden it back home. It was fun and it'll feel like a race bike compared to your Hyper on the dirt.

I rode Hondas CRF 300L in Costa Rica and I was suitably impressed, with a tune and upgrades to the suspension I could be very happy with bike, though I'm not sure what climbs at elevation with my heavy butt on it would feel like, it was certainly not fast up hills with my and a 55lb back pack but did everything I asked it to do and probably could have done it faster / smoother in a more capable riders hands.
 
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