SFPD “cracking down” on dirt bikes

[ctwo]

Youth are gonna youth.

After watching groups like this wheelie down Valencia, in front of the Mission SFPD station, over and over again, I am on the flip side of this. I admire their skills and am happy to see them out there having a great time. Not the same for things like sideshows, but maybe there's a way to cooperate with these riders as well as the Dolores St hill-bombers. It is more important to work with them than arrest and create criminal records for them.

Quack Quack

 

[ctwo]

when you're out in public you have no privacy. your license plate is out in public: anyone can go ahead and take a picture of it if they want. these Flock people just go a step (or few) further: they store the information and then analyze, etc.

you're being tracked, everywhere you go.


I hate it.

Hmmm, but seems there is something way back in history about Governments monitoring and keeping records.... somehow it's like technology erased the criminality of some illegal acts...

I hate that.

 

[ctwo]

...but then they wouldn't be seen, so FUCK THEM.

Like in the olden days we had tracks and spectators and now we have high density housing and office buildings, with spectators

I don't know how many tracks and other riding spots around here have closed. I recall seeing dirt bikes in the woods somewhat North of Alices, and I used to go to the Baylands Watsonville raceways for oval dirt track and drag races, as a spectator.

 

[greenmonster]

There are already laws on the books for reckless driving, reckless endangerment/public endangerment. They exist to keep us all safe but haven't been enforced in the last few years. These guys know what they are doing and don't care because no one has stopped them.
Glad to see that's changing.

 

[gixxerjeff]

Youth are gonna youth.

After watching groups like this wheelie down Valencia, in front of the Mission SFPD station, over and over again, I am on the flip side of this. I admire their skills and am happy to see them out there having a great time. Not the same for things like sideshows, but maybe there's a way to cooperate with these riders as well as the Dolores St hill-bombers. It is more important to work with them than arrest and create criminal records for them.

I completely disagree.

 

[ST Guy]

I, too, disagree. They are a bunch of hoodlums/gang members who ride recklessly on stolen motorcycles. Fuck them.

 

[Hooli]

I foresee half these cameras vandalized/stolen before the year is out.

 

[XPEHBAM]

Hmmm, but seems there is something way back in history about Governments monitoring and keeping records.... somehow it's like technology erased the criminality of some illegal acts...

I hate that.

it's just that today its super cheap and super easy to take a photograph of every plate you see. that wasn't the case even 10 years ago. let alone 100+ years. so this wasn't even thought about when crafting laws.

and also - how would you even go about restricting this? public photography is not illegal, this is 1st amendment. short of making it super expensive again somehow - it's a done deal.

there is literally 0 privacy out there today. it's not just license plates either, there are fusion centers out there that fuse all kinds of data from all kinds of sources. your phone is literally a surveillance device: apple / google know your location at all times. did you know that police use that to solve crimes, too? they know something happened at XYZ place at ABC time. so they ask apple / google who's been over there at that time.

a few years ago you'd be labeled paranoid saying stuff like this, but today this is the world we live in

 

[ctwo]

it's just that today its super cheap and super easy to take a photograph of every plate you see. that wasn't the case even 10 years ago. let alone 100+ years. so this wasn't even thought about when crafting laws.

and also - how would you even go about restricting this? public photography is not illegal, this is 1st amendment. short of making it super expensive again somehow - it's a done deal.

there is literally 0 privacy out there today. it's not just license plates either, there are fusion centers out there that fuse all kinds of data from all kinds of sources. your phone is literally a surveillance device: apple / google know your location at all times. did you know that police use that to solve crimes, too? they know something happened at XYZ place at ABC time. so they ask apple / google who's been over there at that time.

a few years ago you'd be labeled paranoid saying stuff like this, but today this is the world we live in

In a sense, I am talking about the laws that are supposed to restrict governments, such as the 4th amendment, and not its citizens. The act of surveilling citizens was well thought out and addressed. You know the Patriot act had to be put in place to address that too?

Kyllo v. United States (2001) is a somewhat recent ruling that determined thermal cameras used in a search requires a warrant. I.e., the cops cannot just roll up in front of your house and look inside with their thermal camera, but there is a clause about it (the tech) not being in general public use. Now, there may be some other law that makes my looking into your house with a thermal camera illegal, but I'm not sure.

And furthermore, since I have a thermal camera, it's pretty certain others have them too, so are they now actually in general public use, and it would be OK for the law to set up thermal cameras in all neighborhoods to look into everyone's homes, just because it's cheap and easy?

 

[XPEHBAM]

In a sense, I am talking about the laws that are supposed to restrict governments, such as the 4th amendment, and not its citizens. The act of surveilling citizens was well thought out and addressed. You know the Patriot act had to be put in place to address that too?

Kyllo v. United States (2001) is a somewhat recent ruling that determined thermal cameras used in a search requires a warrant. I.e., the cops cannot just roll up in front of your house and look inside with their thermal camera, but there is a clause about it (the tech) not being in general public use. Now, there may be some other law that makes my looking into your house with a thermal camera illegal, but I'm not sure.

And furthermore, since I have a thermal camera, it's pretty certain others have them too, so are they now actually in general public use, and it would be OK for the law to set up thermal cameras in all neighborhoods to look into everyone's homes, just because it's cheap and easy?

as long as you are out in public, you can record whatever your eyes can see. you can't tresspass the eyes

 

[ctwo]

as long as you are out in public, you can record whatever your eyes can see. you can't tresspass the eyes

The cops cannot use their resources to record and collect your data on a whim like joe blow citizen. We're not talking body cams.

They got this program passed via some shady definitions and practices. It's the same arguments about the legality of red light and speed cameras, but now there is an extra element on a database side involving continued investigation.

I know the sheeple will passively accept and then rise to defend our destruction

 

[gixxerjeff]

Sorry,
I just don't spend much time searching for new ways to feel outraged.
I'm kinda funny that way.

 

[Saxon]

I like the old days when LEO would ram you on a moto if you didn't pull over. Some states still do.

Though, I would not go this far for train surfing as done in Indonesia.

 

[XPEHBAM]

The cops cannot use their resources to record and collect your data on a whim like joe blow citizen. We're not talking body cams.

They got this program passed via some shady definitions and practices. It's the same arguments about the legality of red light and speed cameras, but now there is an extra element on a database side involving continued investigation.

I know the sheeple will passively accept and then rise to defend our destruction

it's not the cops: Flock is a private company. they just sell this to cops. hurray for loopholes. don't get me wrong, I hate it. I said it in my first post.

it's just that it's legal, and it won't stop. there's no privacy in USA (and no privacy anywhere, really).

 

[ctwo]

Imagine when the private company SWAT is hired to bust into peoples homes and conduct searches...

And it's OK if I hire someone to do the deed, right? I mean, I didn't do it.

So, it IS the cops, just getting away with it, like so many other things that shouldn't be happening.

If it weren't targeting kids on dirt bikes (who quite frankly should be busted the old fashioned way) there would be legal challenges...

 

[XPEHBAM]

Imagine when the private company SWAT is hired to bust into peoples homes and conduct searches...

And it's OK if I hire someone to do the deed, right? I mean, I didn't do it.

So, it IS the cops, just getting away with it, like so many other things that shouldn't be happening.

If it weren't targeting kids on dirt bikes (who quite frankly should be busted the old fashioned way) there would be legal challenges...

you're confusing public photography - which is covered under 1st amendment - with burglary, which is a crime

 

[ctwo]

I'm not confusing anything. It's a 4th discussion - and all this is controversy for a reason.

 

[XPEHBAM]

I'm not confusing anything. It's a 4th discussion - and all this is controversy for a reason.

you compared public photography with burglary, unless you are confused you're a troll

 

[NorCalBusa]

When you are ineffective cracking down on crime- ya gotta do something!

 

[gixxerjeff]

- and all this is controversy for a reason.

This one broad, sweeping notion sums up so much of the unnecessary discourse in this country.
Decaf, exhale, take a walk (or ride)....whatever it takes.