DefyInertia
Well-known member
You ride frequently, right? Maybe you have been getting complacent as your comfort has increased? Be more vigilant about lane position and inputs on low traction surfaces.
-
There has been a recent cluster of spammers accessing BARFer accounts and posting spam. To safeguard your account, please consider changing your password. It would be even better to take the additional step of enabling 2 Factor Authentication (2FA) on your BARF account. Read more here.
High-sided my bike this a.m. video included
- Thread starter HappyHighwayman
- Start date
theAmazingKickstand
New member
It's the paint. When it's wet use more of your rear brake till you get comfy. Also slightly squeeze both brakes once in a while and before you know you'll need to stop to wipe off some water from the disk.
Other wise it could feel like nothings happening when you squeeze and then all of a sudden they grab hard....cuz they wiped off the water.
haha don't ride over paint. You learn this super quick from riding road bikes with tiny tires.
Other wise it could feel like nothings happening when you squeeze and then all of a sudden they grab hard....cuz they wiped off the water.
haha don't ride over paint. You learn this super quick from riding road bikes with tiny tires.
Last edited:
Banjoboy
Get over yerself!!!
- Joined
- Aug 23, 2009
- Location
- Northbay
- Moto(s)
- '07 FJR speedshifter ('07 FJR, :rip ) '07 FZ6 (dirt bike)
- Name
- ANorris
^THIS^
There wuz several errors in judgment here;
1.) ride'in in the middle of the lane where all the oil drips outta cars truckz 'n busez.
2.) ride'in over all that painted shit. (What part of "NO" don't you understand?
)3.) do'in all the above on sum "first" rains.
4.) and obviously applying too much front brake. (Purdie much any is too much in them conditionz)
Glad yer o.k., live and never learn I alwayz say.
i_am_the_koi
Vito Koi'leone ~ The Twinfather
- Joined
- Apr 10, 2011
- Location
- Whine Country
- Moto(s)
- 2005 Concours
2003 SV-1BILLION
2017 R3
- Name
- The Koi
- BARF perks
- AMA #: 2823804
Only question I am curious about...
how long did you lock up the front?
Looked like you started to slide, tried to adjust your steering, kept sliding, and went down...
maybe i'm seeing it wrong in the video.
I almost did this yesterday riding to class... except it happened on a downshift for me, rear kicked out cause I was on the paint more then I expected.
Stopped riding on the paint from that moment on..
Sorry to hear the crash... any damage besides the turn signal?
how long did you lock up the front?
Looked like you started to slide, tried to adjust your steering, kept sliding, and went down...
maybe i'm seeing it wrong in the video.
I almost did this yesterday riding to class... except it happened on a downshift for me, rear kicked out cause I was on the paint more then I expected.
Stopped riding on the paint from that moment on..
Sorry to hear the crash... any damage besides the turn signal?
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
I'm not sure how long I locked it up for.
The bike needs its steering re-aligned, I don't think anything is bent, but the forks need slight alignment. Plus the plastic fairings need replacing, and the tank is dinged. Just sucks going from immaculate to slightly dinged up...cost myself a ton of money in "value".
The bike needs its steering re-aligned, I don't think anything is bent, but the forks need slight alignment. Plus the plastic fairings need replacing, and the tank is dinged. Just sucks going from immaculate to slightly dinged up...cost myself a ton of money in "value".
MCCRASH
Bottomless Pit of Torque
Question: would ABS have likely prevented this crash? I know it makes no difference for a lowside while turning on wet track/paint/slippery crud, but what about here where it's just straight on decel?
Ozymandias
Well-known member
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2007
- Location
- Vallejo, CA
- Moto(s)
- '09 BMW R1200GS Adventure, '09 R6 Race, 2015 RSV4 Factory, 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900
- Name
- Paul
I did something similar awhile back on my FZ-1. I was coming out of the area I live that is a slight up hill on a turn and trees over hang. It had rained the night before but everything seemed dry but there was just enough dampness and car and tree gunk left on the road. I still slipped just enough at about 15 mph. Broke the upper, scuffed the mirror and clutch cover. Bike didn't even slide all the way across the street. I was so mad at myself.
Either way, in your case it is definitely the paint. Avoid that stuff like the plague when it's wet and if you have to brake on it, use the rear. You won't have the same stopping power by any means but even if you lock it up a tail slide is a lot easier to manage than a sideways front wheel. :thumbsup
ABS would have definitely helped there.
First of all, glad you're alright.
I watched the video several times and I noticed something. Immediately after you came off the painted surface [NO], your wind screen was vibrating. This lends me to believe that your front locked while you were on the paint surface (arrow). As the tire slid off the painted surface it actually chattered a bit as it was trying to regain traction, hence the vibration of your wind screen. That's a subtle hint that your tire is locked. If in that split second you had let go of the brake then reapplied them, there's the possibility you would've regained traction. It may feel like the opposite thing to do but it's basically what ABS is. It's a skill that becomes almost instinctual with certain conditions.
As for the crooked front end, it sounds like your forks may have twisted in the triples. You can try loosening your lower triples to realign everything. Good luck.
I watched the video several times and I noticed something. Immediately after you came off the painted surface [NO], your wind screen was vibrating. This lends me to believe that your front locked while you were on the paint surface (arrow). As the tire slid off the painted surface it actually chattered a bit as it was trying to regain traction, hence the vibration of your wind screen. That's a subtle hint that your tire is locked. If in that split second you had let go of the brake then reapplied them, there's the possibility you would've regained traction. It may feel like the opposite thing to do but it's basically what ABS is. It's a skill that becomes almost instinctual with certain conditions.
As for the crooked front end, it sounds like your forks may have twisted in the triples. You can try loosening your lower triples to realign everything. Good luck.
Star Man
Old Pro
- Joined
- Mar 19, 2010
- Location
- Benicia, CA
- Moto(s)
- Have more than I deserve....yet still want more :-)
- Name
- Greg
EGADS!!!!! MY (ex)BIKE!!!!! OZY!!!!!!!!
Well, we both know that's not the first time that poor bike has hit the deck. But really, what are you doing riding in the middle of the lane, over painted surfaces, in the wet....blah, blah.......I know that you know better. Also, that traffic light caught you at just the wrong moment.
Something to think about is using the rear brake more / front brake less in low traction situations. The FZ-1 has a large and very effective rear brake. It saved my bacon quite a few times.
Also, I was glad to see on the video that you took the time to inspect the bike before you rode off on it. That shows real maturity and presence of mind at a time when adrenalin usually messes up your ability to think clearly.
Any damage to you? Bruises, bumps, etc.?
Well, we both know that's not the first time that poor bike has hit the deck. But really, what are you doing riding in the middle of the lane, over painted surfaces, in the wet....blah, blah.......I know that you know better. Also, that traffic light caught you at just the wrong moment.
Something to think about is using the rear brake more / front brake less in low traction situations. The FZ-1 has a large and very effective rear brake. It saved my bacon quite a few times.
Also, I was glad to see on the video that you took the time to inspect the bike before you rode off on it. That shows real maturity and presence of mind at a time when adrenalin usually messes up your ability to think clearly.
Any damage to you? Bruises, bumps, etc.?
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
EGADS!!!!! MY (ex)BIKE!!!!! OZY!!!!!!!!
Well, we both know that's not the first time that poor bike has hit the deck. But really, what are you doing riding in the middle of the lane, over painted surfaces, in the wet....blah, blah.......I know that you know better. Also, that traffic light caught you at just the wrong moment.
Something to think about is using the rear brake more / front brake less in low traction situations. The FZ-1 has a large and very effective rear brake. It saved my bacon quite a few times.
Also, I was glad to see on the video that you took the time to inspect the bike before you rode off on it. That shows real maturity and presence of mind at a time when adrenalin usually messes up your ability to think clearly.
Any damage to you? Bruises, bumps, etc.?
Are you saying that my bike is your ex-bike or it's the same model as your ex-bike?
My left hand is pretty swollen today near the base of the thumb, but that's it.
Star Man
Old Pro
- Joined
- Mar 19, 2010
- Location
- Benicia, CA
- Moto(s)
- Have more than I deserve....yet still want more :-)
- Name
- Greg
oops...so sorry.....had you confused with someone else. The advice is still the same
Hope your hand improves quickly....if not, get it x-rayed.
Hope your hand improves quickly....if not, get it x-rayed.
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
It stiffened up a bit since yesterday but I think it's just bruised. Fortunately
thumbdown) I don't have a bike to ride anyway so I can let it rest.
Ozymandias
Well-known member
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2007
- Location
- Vallejo, CA
- Moto(s)
- '09 BMW R1200GS Adventure, '09 R6 Race, 2015 RSV4 Factory, 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900
- Name
- Paul
Yeah, Star Man thought you were me. I have his old FZ-1.
Either way, glad you're wrist is feeling better. Is this the first time you've been down?
Either way, glad you're wrist is feeling better. Is this the first time you've been down?
Erbuck
Power Lurker
Sorry hear about the lowside.
Only other suggestion I have, (besides getting wet pavement braking practice and stay away from anything on the list of slippery stuff you hear about in MSF training) is to give your brakes a little test every 30 seconds or so when you are in traffic like this. It gives you crucial feedback on both the state of your traction and your brakes. It also helps burn in the option of letting go of the brakes when they aren't helping.
As everyone knows, you can't choose the surface you emergency brake on, so you just got the short end of the stick this time.
Only other suggestion I have, (besides getting wet pavement braking practice and stay away from anything on the list of slippery stuff you hear about in MSF training) is to give your brakes a little test every 30 seconds or so when you are in traffic like this. It gives you crucial feedback on both the state of your traction and your brakes. It also helps burn in the option of letting go of the brakes when they aren't helping.
As everyone knows, you can't choose the surface you emergency brake on, so you just got the short end of the stick this time.
KnifeySpoony
_______________________
Why does the bike rev just before falling? Grabbing the throttle on the way down?
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
Must be. I don't recall what I did.
nbean16
The Art of Seduction
- Joined
- Jun 23, 2011
- Location
- North San Jose
- Moto(s)
- 2019 Ducati Panigale 959
Corse, 2007 Honda CBR600RR, 2000 Yamaha YZF-600R (sold)
- Name
- Nick
Nothing to add that hasn't been said, except if its wet I always gas it for the yellow instead of getting hard on the brakes. Rather run the red by a little than risk sliding.
Don.
New member
Glad you came out 'relatively' unscathed.
must be weird to watch a video of yourself crashing.
must be weird to watch a video of yourself crashing.
HappyHighwayman
It's all in the reflexes
Entoptic
Red Power!
+1 It seems you lost your bike tire on the "NO".
+1 on the Muni and the cyclist that helped you.
If I can offer up anything it would be to get some time in the dirt if you haven't already done it. You could even take the bike to a parking lot and practice countering a slide like that. I know it happened fast but you may have been able to save it, maybe. I am so happy you were able to get away from the bike and did the proper lift to pick up the bike!