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Highside on Sir Francis Drake

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Nov 1, 2005
Location
Alameda, CA
Moto(s)
2004 Moto Guzzi V11 Le Mans Nero Corsa
Name
Steve
On my way to a doctor's appointment today (10/30) at about 11:30am I came across the Richmond-San Rafael bridge and headed down Sir Francis Drake toward Larkspur Landing. I slowed from freeway speed down to flow-of-two-lane-traffic.

Coming around the right-hand curve by the entrance to San Quentin, I thought the road surface felt funny. Specifically, it felt like when the surface is uneven, like a shallow rut that makes the bike pull in one direction. I saw what looked like a long shadow parallel to the double yellow and I assumed that that was what was going on. I tried to lean in and cut the corner a bit more sharply to get away from the rut.

That didn't work, and then I felt myself leaning way too far to the right. I tried to straighten up but went from all the way to the right to all the way on the left. I highsided and rolled for what seemed like a long time but probably wasn't—I remember thinking I might be done with the rolling and that I ought to try to get out of the way of any oncoming cars, then realizing I was still bumping my way down the road like a log. I waited it out and then hopped to my feet and ran to the side of the road.

So yeah, rookie move getting up and running immediately after dumping the bike. All I can say about that is that the double yellow on a curve on Sir Francis Drake felt like an unsafe place to stay.

Anyway, the above is just my recollection of events without much analysis. Here's one more fact:

When I told the CHP officer (one of the others told me he was a motor officer but on four wheels today) about feeling like there was a rut that was pulling me to one side, I was looking up the road and seeing what looked like a pretty flat, smooth surface. He said, "see that dark strip? That's diesel."

This lead to overly-facile observations #1 and #2, namely:

I thought I had gotten extra lean from a strip of road surface with inconsistent camber. In fact, that "lean" was probably the tires losing traction and slipping out from under me toward the outside of the curve.

I had misread the road surface. The dark strip was not shadow but diesel fuel.

If I had correctly read the change in my sense of balance as a slide, I would have straightened up and gone farther to the outside, which might have made me uncomfortably close to oncoming traffic, but would have gotten me off the slippery patch. Takeaway: maybe I need to do some dirt-riding to better familiarize myself with what lateral loss of traction feels like.

If I had correctly read the road surface, I wouldn't have been anywhere near the diesel. Takeaway: pay better attention to the road!

Questions I may as well answer so that you don't have to ask:

I don't think I got on the brake (either of them) at all. I was trying to regain control with steering. That said, I'm not sure whether it's possible for my wheel to have totally washed out like that unless it was locked. Spinning objects tend to stay in line. Going back to the scene about three hours later, I found no skid marks at all (though there were scrape marks still on the road from where the bike slid on its side over to the side of the road.)

OTOH, if I lost traction on a slippery patch and the bike was on its side before the tires could touch non-diesel-coated pavement, there might not be a skid mark even if I had a vise grip on the front brake. Seems unlikely but bottom line: the lack of any skid mark doesn't necessarily support my recollection that I did not brake. And I ought to be the first to admit that my recollection of something I might have done without thinking could be faulty.

Was I overgripping the bars? Probably. I know I frequently catch myself with my arms not as relaxed as they ought to be. That is definitely something I don't do on purpose yet often have to consciously relax my arms. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to learn that overly tensed arms contributed to my (literal) downfall.

Was I going too fast? I think I was doing 45 in a 40 zone. Ironically I spent most of the ride going much faster than I usually do because I was running late, but as soon as I got off 580 and onto Sir Francis Drake I slowed to a much more sedentary pace. I was almost there and would have been on time if I hadn't spent a half an hour talking to cops and firefighters at the side of the road. I did not want to or feel the need to ride fast, especially in traffic where in order to go faster I'd have to ride like a dick.

So: anyone think I've missed anything or think that something above doesn't make sense? Or have suggestions other than those I've already mentioned? Or wish to amplify or clarify something?

I apologize for the lack of detail and certainty about some details. It's a cliche that "it happened so fast" but it did kinda go by pretty quick. The logrolling is what I have the most vivid memory of. By then I ceased to have any useful decisions to make other than the decision to not try to get up until I actually stopped.
 
Is it possible that the transition from leaning right to leaning left was caused by your rear tire suddenly regaining traction after losing it on the diesel? Or do you think you caused it entirely through your steering input?
 
Diesel spill. Ugh. Glad you survived. And I think getting the hell out of the way of oncoming traffic was the right thing to do. That may not be what you're supposed to do on the track, but on the street it may have saved you from much more serious injuries.

Can you remember what you did with the throttle when you felt that sensation of excessive lean into the turn?

You can lose grip as you did without locking up the wheel. If you're leaned over normally in a turn, and the front wheel suddenly loses the traction it needs to produce cornering force, the motorcycle can no longer follow a curved path, but the wheels keep turning. The equation that balances centrifugal force with lean angle no longer adds up, and gravity takes over. Then, if you suddenly regain grip and have too much steering angle, you go over the other side.
 
Is it possible that the transition from leaning right to leaning left was caused by your rear tire suddenly regaining traction after losing it on the diesel? Or do you think you caused it entirely through your steering input?

It's entirely possible and makes sense. I know that after trying to lean to the right and (feeling like I was) going too far I tried to reduce lean to the right (ie straighten up.) Whether I overcorrected, resisted the bike's natural attempt to correct itself, or had the rear tire regain traction and throw me off, I don't know. Your suggestion sounds consistent with my recollection. And they aren't mutually exclusive. I could have given wrong steering input and the rear tire regained traction.

I don't know how I would know for sure. Sort of wishing I had a black box. Even a GoPro might have provided some valuable clues.

If that's the case, the "rookie move" of stomping on the rear brake might have been better than what I did, causing a lowside instead of a highside?

Of course, in the absence of "keeping the bike upright" I don't think there is a better outcome than what happened. The bike ended up on its side but safely off on the shoulder where no car would hit it, and despite rolling instead of sliding, I'm mostly unscathed.

Oh! It just occurred to me that the bike ending up on the right shoulder might indicate that your suggestion is spot-on. It was a right-hand curve and the bike ended up on the right side of the road—the inside shoulder. I got thrown off the bike and went in the direction of my inertia: toward the outside of the curve (I ended up on the double-yellow). Something sent the bike toward the right. The rear tire regaining traction after the rear end had slid to the left explains that.

Good catch! The bike ending up on the inside of the corner was something I initially thought was odd but hadn't considered since.
 
So in this accident, your bike got damaged on one side only (left), or on both sides? You got thrown off on the left, but did the bike touch down on its left side too? The bike's initial orientation (during the highside) and where it ended up is what's confusing me.
 
So in this accident, your bike got damaged on one side only (left), or on both sides? You got thrown off on the left, but did the bike touch down on its left side too? The bike's initial orientation (during the highside) and where it ended up is what's confusing me.

Damage is only on the bike's left side. It ended up on the shoulder at the right-hand side of the road. It was pointed perpendicular to the direction of the road and away from the road. The tank was on the downhill side (the direction I had been traveling) and the wheels were on the uphill side.
 
Diesel spill. Ugh. Glad you survived. And I think getting the hell out of the way of oncoming traffic was the right thing to do. That may not be what you're supposed to do on the track, but on the street it may have saved you from much more serious injuries.

Thank you.

Can you remember what you did with the throttle when you felt that sensation of excessive lean into the turn?

Not really. I think that I stayed firm on the throttle but that may be my brain filling in the details. I remember pushing forward on the right and staying firm on the throttle while I was trying to bring my line in to the right. I'm pretty sure I didn't chop the throttle because I didn't feel like I was going too fast; it felt like I was hitting sudden changes in camber that I was having trouble compensating for.

You can lose grip as you did without locking up the wheel. If you're leaned over normally in a turn, and the front wheel suddenly loses the traction it needs to produce cornering force, the motorcycle can no longer follow a curved path, but the wheels keep turning. The equation that balances centrifugal force with lean angle no longer adds up, and gravity takes over. Then, if you suddenly regain grip and have too much steering angle, you go over the other side.

That sounds like what happened. What I remember was seeing the wheel actually going from one direction to the other, but the more I run it through in my head the more I think that may have been me seeing the wheel change position in relation to me as I went over the side.

And of course, the more I run it through in my head the more I may be poisoning my memory with imagination based on theory about what happened.
 
Probably up for the award for least useful graphic of 2012. Not to scale (obviously) but does show the positions where the bike and I ended up, and in what orientations.

(click to see bigger useless graphic)

 
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Between them, I think DD and JurisRider hit the nail right on the head. It sounds as though you lost traction on the diesel, then slid until you regained it, at which point you were pretty out of line, and the bike spit you off trying to reconcile its attitude with its heading.

Diesel is treacherous, nasty stuff. We don't seem to see that many spills of it around here, but there are other places where it's pretty common. You will learn to spot it from now on, and you'll figure out how to either miss it, or get across it quickly, and that means being flexible with the lines you take in corners - like your thought of easing out wider - which can save you.

FWIW, I crashed on a diesel spill in 2006, and I've slid on it a number of times, and that crap is like ice.
 
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