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When should we stop riding? -- perspectives of an older rider

superhawk,

See you list Prescott Valley, AZ as your location. My brother is giving serious consideration to moving there. One of his concerns, coming from the warmth of SoCal, is the winters. He didn't move back to SF Bay after college because he said he ached all the time in the marine climate.

How do your bones feel in that region? Any other info would be appreciated.

Bill

PS, I'm 70 and still ride long far.
 
superhawk,

See you list Prescott Valley, AZ as your location. My brother is giving serious consideration to moving there. One of his concerns, coming from the warmth of SoCal, is the winters. He didn't move back to SF Bay after college because he said he ached all the time in the marine climate.

How do your bones feel in that region? Any other info would be appreciated.

Bill

PS, I'm 70 and still ride long far.
Hey bill, the seasons are just like the bay area, the only difference is that it snows between december and march. But the snow is short lived. Average cold day in the peak of winter is 35 degrees. Gets colder overnight. No sub zero temps. Summers here are on average 20 degrees cooler than Phoenix. The past summer we had a couple of weeks where the temps averaged 95. Now we're averaging 85 and dropping. I don't even own a heavey winter coat. Rarely wear gloves.The tri-valley is growing, but no whete near what the bay area was in the 50"s.
If he decides to visit. Send him my way, I'll give him a tour.👍
Btw if he rides. There are plenty of back roads to choose from
 
For me its the weight, loading my Triumph in/out of my airstream.
I have found myself a little trapped on occasion, if I start too close to the door.
I'm slowly separating myself from her, another year or two, , ,

Living in Morro Bay gave me the aches, haven't felt them here, in the heat of summer.
We get freezing here in Cottonwood, @ 3 K' My hands are gonna hurt.
But no more marine layer of with the ache of arthritic humidity.
 
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Adding to the perspective. Went on the Rydther Rally. 300 plus miles getting there had me worn out. I hit the room by 10:45 rather than going to the bar with the younger set. I was the OG in the group by a couple years. I could tell it was different than when I was 50 and the youngers would give me the inspiration to party like a rock star.

Took Saturday off to make sure riding home was a good experience. It was and the 320 did not wear me out like Friday had. I am wondering how much longer I can handle those 300 mile days and continue to act like a man much younger than 66.

Dropping this post so in 10 years I can look back at it and analyze where I really got old.
I think riding will still be in the mix, but those full day rides might not be. Spent a little time in Hawthorne thinking about some of the guys who rode there at my current age and I valued as friends. :rose
 
Made me pause and think when the last police officer that stopped me on my bike, and looking at my license, told me that: "You're too old to be riding like that."

"Yeah, you're probably right." Got me out of the ticket. Ten year later, now, I probably should take his advice.
 
Adding to the perspective. Went on the Rydther Rally. 300 plus miles getting there had me worn out. I hit the room by 10:45 rather than going to the bar with the younger set. I was the OG in the group by a couple years. I could tell it was different than when I was 50 and the youngers would give me the inspiration to party like a rock star.

Took Saturday off to make sure riding home was a good experience. It was and the 320 did not wear me out like Friday had. I am wondering how much longer I can handle those 300 mile days and continue to act like a man much younger than 66.

Dropping this post so in 10 years I can look back at it and analyze where I really got old.
I think riding will still be in the mix, but those full day rides might not be. Spent a little time in Hawthorne thinking about some of the guys who rode there at my current age and I valued as friends. :rose
Apologies budman that I didn’t rally round the Hawthorne youths to be the rally OldestG.
 
Thanks for the synopsis. He put his place in SoCal up for sale. Must be serious!

He used to ride. No longer has an M-1. Thinks he's too old. He's my YOUNGER brother, the damn sissy!

I'll probably get down that way to look at whatever he decides to buy. Can look you up. Did the long haul from State of Jefferson to Prescott by car. That might be undesirable for even my arse. on the bike.
 
You will know when it’s time to hang up your gear and stop riding.

I gave up riding gradually. First, I got a sporty convertible which became my new commute vehicle. Then my wife got Alzheimer’s and required care so I stopped all riding and gave my motorcycle to another BARFer. After she died, I figured I’d get another bike but then I had a stroke so I never got the FJR1300 I’d planned as my next bike.

Sometimes life will dictate when it’s time to stop.
 
"When should we stop riding?" When you no longer enjoy it.

This right here! I almost sold my bike and hung it up after my kids were born and I hadn't ridden much for a couple years. Then I want on "one last ride" as long as I still had it anyway and it reignited my passion. I'm another 10 years down the road now and have been riding for nearly 25 years. Giving it up is looking like a long ways away for me 🤞
 
I'm 73 living in Hollister and I have a doctors appointment at the VA in Palo Alto and I'll take the bike on the highway. But after the appointment Pagemill is on the other side of 280 and then there Skyline to Eureka Canyon, Old Mount Madonna, 152 and home. Or Bear Creek to Los Gatos, Kennedy, Mt Uminum, Uvas and you get the picture!
 
Old thread with lottsa new posts. I'll chime in....

I started riding when I moved to SF from NY. I loved it and always had a group to ride with and learn the rules of the road. Started on a 250 Rebel then purchased a little Hawk and then onto a VTR-Supadupachi'can, and then finally my last bike-another VTR. Loved riding up until I began to feel very nervous out on the highways. I live near Sacramento and the highways out here are filled with mashugina drivers. I could not hang on these speedways where drivers are blind to you and others don't care how close they come near you.
I began to get anxious. Instead of riding around potential dangers on the road I would slow down. Kind of akin to target fixation. I began sweating a great deal and holding my breathe. I knew it was time to stop. I had anticipatory fear settling in. Not a good look!

I am currently driving my 4th Mazda Miata Mx-5. It is a 2017 and I couldn't be happier.
Vroom lol, vroom.

I am also careful around riders out there and give them plenty of room to navigate.
 
Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm riding again after a 22 year gap of no riding. I'm 74 now. When I was 50 my eyes didn't react fast enough for me when going from sun into the shadows. I lived in Santa Cruz and did a lot of riding in the Redwood forests. I wasn't very sure where the road was or worse that there was dirt in the apex. I was riding a GZXR-1100 because I have a go fast gene that can't be denied. So, I built a Ford Cobra replica that was stupid fast but I couldn't tip over. That lasted 20 years then it got totaled in a T-bone crash. Didn't build another one because I was retired now without a decent shop. I ended up with a 2017 Miata. Fabulous car but not fast enough. I sniveled long and hard until my better half said OK! Bought a 2004 Suzuki Savage 650cc single. Just enough horsepower to scare me silly for about 6 months. Then like an addict it wasn't fast enough anymore. Next bike up was a 2004 Buell XB9S. Now I have a bike that is way faster than me. I live in south central Oregon now. No traffic, huge scenery and wide open sight lines on most of the roads. Live close to Crater Lake. Used to do a Sunday morning ride on various roads from Santa Cruz to Alice's, about a 100 miles. Now I do a loop up around Crater Lake that's about a 100 miles. Don't think I'd like riding in the Bay Area nowadays. Just too many people and too much traffic.
 
Adding my 2c. I rode as a kid, then stopped until I was 40, but did a lot of auto racing (rallying in the UK, SCCA when I moved to the US)
I bought my buddy's R1 track bike at age 40. I knew the risks and figured I could control my wrist and the R1 would have better brakes and suspension than a budget learner bike.
I put myself through CA Super Bike school probably to the point of excess - I was considered for a riding coach position lol.
More than a few of you may have seen me as a regular attendee at PTT, Z2 and other track days and I literally rode the wheels of that 99 R1.
In 2017, during my 60th year, my buddy and I got a pair of matching R1Ms and got them prepped for de-restricted track day duty. For the next 4 years we rode the paint off them.
I ran my first actual race at age 63 placing 3rd at a Code Race event.
I'm now 67 and have swapped my track bike for a Tuono 1100 V4F - what my wife calls my sensible bike.
Here in the US, I see a lot of threads and comments about if/when to stop riding.
Earlier this year, my buddy and I went over to the UK, hired a couple of touring bikes and set off to the IoM for 2 weeks of the TT and some touring. It was fantastic and much fun was had - some of it was even legal!
One interesting observation was that we were by no means the oldest there and were probably close to the median age of those watching.
I don't see myself stopping any time soon - but recognize that I need to work out and ride my MTB more diligently, to stay fit and sharp enough to keep on riding Moto.
 
Nice post! :cool

Bumming w/o Isle of Man pics..! :laughing
 
I was the oldest rider (74) on our tour of the Alps this year. I think everyone was over 60. I hope I was an inspiration to some of the riders who thought they were old and now know they have many years of riding left. Two of the riders always took off and were right behind the guide, and the guide would wave then around with the understanding they were too wait at the next intersection. Both were riding single. Everyone except one of the friends from Stockton was riding double. Kind of hurt when one of the two riders said well no one in this group will be passing us this tour! Well one day my wife decided to ride in the van. I got up to the tour guide and when he stopped to regroup I asked can we go a little faster. He said 15 miles to the bottom you will come to a T, wait there. Us three took off and in about 5 turns I did not have anyone behind me. I arrived just long enough to have my helmet off before the second rider and 3 minutes before the third rider. I did run about 85 % of my limit of the RT. The second rider on a F900 BMW told me he thought it would only take him a couple of turns to pass me. Then he said he was wrong, nice ride. I told he there was another rider in our group (old expert enduro rider) who cold run faster. But not with our wives on the back.

I hope to ride into my 80's just depends on the old check engine light.
 
The recent reports of casualties of experienced expert bikers, plus my own experiences on the highways, have led me to pondering when I should consider parking the bike permanently. I encourage responses of all levels and ages of riders -- those over 50, who might be having the same thoughts as me, and those much younger, because, like it or not, you will be old someday too if your luck does not run out sooner.

NOTE: I apologize for the length of this post -- I guess I needed to set the stage for all this.

I am nearing 59 years old. I learned to ride a Honda S90 when I was 15, then rode a dirtbike for a while, then spent years in the Navy riding a wide variety of street bikes owned by my shipmates (Triumphs, BSA, BMW, Harley, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Puch(!) and many more I have forgotten I left motorcycles behind for a while when I was in my late 20's , switching to bicycling, and riding motorcycles only occassionally until about ten years ago. It was then that I sent my son to MSF training, and decided to go along and do the course with him just for fun. I remembered how much fun I was having and decided to get back into motorcycling.

I consider myself to be a very expert, experienced and safe rider. Despite riding for nearly 44 years, I have never once been in an accident, nor dropped a bike on the street.

I ride one of my vintage Kawasakis from Berkeley to SF nearly every weekday (although I avoid the rain). I am in generally decent physical shape, have good reflexes, and corrected vision. My balance is very good (something that usually deteriorates with age), probably because of my long term motorcycle and bicycle riding.

That said, I must be the first to acknowledge that I do not have the physical capabilities I had at my peak (which for me was in my mid to late 30's, when I was doing century rides and San Francisco hillclimbs on my Bianchi ). While motorcycling, I now make up for this with my knowledge and experience, knowing what is the right thing to do at all times, plus not riding like a foolish teenager who just discovered that sex and motorcycle riding are a lot alike. Without doubt, I am slower, with weaker senses (eyes and ears) than I once had, less than perfect balance, and losing a little bit of the physical edge every year.

I am a realist. Ageing is a one-way street, sloping downhill at an increasing rate. I know that doing this at age 75 is not realistic, unless someone finds the fountain of youth soon.

Combine the above with the madness that I see everyday on the freeways and the Bay Bridge, with weaving inattentive drivers during commute hours, and road racing intoxicated idiots later at night (since I sometimes work late). Then, around the urban streets, I see people pulling in front of me from all sides, even though I wear very bright yellow and black gear. I have had a few scary moments, but have never had what I would consider to be a "close call", yet.

I have no desire to go out in a flameball. I prefer to die in bed, at a very old age, making love to my wife.

I love motorcycling, which I believe energizes me and keeps me young at heart, and helps relieve the stress from my high pressure work (I am a lawyer). BUT, I truly want to live to see my children grow up and give me grandchildren, and to travel to far off places with my lovely wife, who has grudgingly induged my motorcycling thus far.

So, fellow riders, at what point do I leave this behind, accepting the physical limitations that come with age, that in turn make this an unsafe risk to myself and my family?
I'm 73. Still ride every day, just about.

I commuted over the BB for decades, and truthfully, it wasn't my favorite part of the commute. For 10 years I commuted from Berkeley/Oakland to Nob Hill eastbound at 500PM, then home with the drunks at 2:00 AM.
However, these days it seems like the BB is much more risky than the 70s, 80s, 90s. The new span on the Oakland side has a design that really gives aggressive dickheads a raging hard on, and I am frequently seeing speeds in excess of 90mph , especially Eastbound....I don't even feel safe in a car on a few Bay Area roads, 280 BBridge EB, I80 through Richmond both ways, HWY 4, 24, 680 all have a lot of super whacked motorists.
I'm ALL for Speed Cameras at this point. If they successfully slow down assholedrivers, then put them where the assholes are.

In SF, NO ONE obeys any traffic law, ever. And I blame that on the pitiful lack of enforcement by SFPD. If they spent half the energy they use whining about DAs and other crap, they might have the energy to go out and write tickets.

Next time an SFPD gives me a ticket, ill be sending them a thank you note.

I understand why you're reconsidering being on 2 wheels, but maybe just take BART and read the paper, cuppa joe....then go out on your days off and ride.
 
I’ll be 73 soon enough and I can still ride, see, and react pretty quickly. But I know all of those factors and others come into play. I choose to ride more conservatively now, especially around today’s traffic and/or squirrels of various ages. Arthritis in the hands has me on a DCT tranny or light action clutch. The Africa Twin with a full tank is pretty cumbersome rolling around to park so I usually fill up halfway. My balance and coordination is still very good as I can out-‘track stand” most of my bicycling brethren. But I recognize no one outruns Mr Time. Someday I may be riding a self-balancing MP3 scooter, or Miata-fy, but for now 2 Wheels Good.
 
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