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Tesla Model 3: End of the Internal-Combustion Engine?

I feels like we are at the "it does not have a keyboard" - moment. Remember this guy.

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TheRobSJ said:
And it’s January 1 - December 31 of myself and most of the automotive industry not really giving a shit what new model Tesla rolls out anymore. It’s been long enough. As has been said many times already, they’re not a car company. Tech company with a great IP? Sure. But there’s no excuse for a real car company to have the volume that they do and still not string together some real quarters of profit. Investing back and then some into the business? Yeah sure. But all the other real car companies were able to scale up and still show investors that they’re making money and headed for a bright future.

Not just the OEMs that views Tesla as not a car company. But most of car culture too. I’m here at SEMA, the biggest car show in the world right now. Just about every company that has anything to do with the car business is here in Vegas. Well, not Tesla themselves of course, because they’re not a car company. But other than maybe wheels, WeatherTech floor mats, and waxes or whatever, none of the exhibitors here could five a shit about Tesla. None of the tool and equipment manufacturers want to get into anything Tesla specific products. Down the street at the AAPEX show (mostly parts), nobody is making aftermarket service/repair parts for Tesla. Oh, Tesla likes to maintain control so they don’t let anyone make par....please. Apple is another tech company that keeps it close to the vest, and the aftermarket for their products is a multi billion dollar business.

Sorry just ranting while I wait for the monorail. My opinions are my personal observations and in no way reflect the position of American Honda Motor Co.
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That's actually a great point. Why AREN'T 3rd party aftermarket manufacturers attempting to crank things out for Teslas?

For example:

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NorCalAthlete said:
That's actually a great point. Why AREN'T 3rd party aftermarket manufacturers attempting to crank things out for Teslas?

For example:

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Whatever the name of the company on that front plate? Of all the cars I’ve seen so far at the show, there has been one Model 3 wearing that same plate. In the Ray’s Engineering wheels booth. It of course has some wheels, satin grey paint, what looks to be a one off ground effects kit and an out of place gloss carbon fiber rear spoiler.

Meanwhile over in the Seibon/Anderson Composites booth, have a 2020 GT500 with a ton of market ready CF body parts for a car that isn’t even on sale yet.
 
Right I mean that's kinda the point I was making - aside from fitting some different wheels and whatnot...that's about it. Super basic mods.

Meanwhile on youtube people are hacking all sorts of stuff together from pickup trucks to go-karts with Tesla motors, so clearly it CAN be done by any company willing to.
 
One more day of SEMA. Haven’t hit the hall with all the truck stuff yet. Who knows maybe I’ll find a booth amongst all the hundreds with a Jeep or Raptor all overland/apocalypse rigged up, that’s different. Maybe they’re selling a solar array to charge your Tesla with when you take your new Tesla pickup truck way off road and ran your heater a little too long.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
That's actually a great point. Why AREN'T 3rd party aftermarket manufacturers attempting to crank things out for Teslas?

For example:
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Seems kind of self-explanatory.

Just like the many predictions of doom and gloom in Tesla's future post in the KS, most companies are probably not willing to take the risk of tooling up for a company that many see as not having a viable chance to last.

Also, if Tesla has written into their warranty a void clause if anything aftermarket is put on the car, that could also account for the lack.

Anybody know about the latter possibility?
 
Climber said:
Also, if Tesla has written into their warranty a void clause if anything aftermarket is put on the car, that could also account for the lack.

Anybody know about the latter possibility?
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Every manufacturer leans that way with aftermarket modifications to their vehicles.

There’s also the fact that other than tire shops, there really isn’t any options for having service/repairs done on a Tesla other than a dealer. And the company run dealer store sure as hell isn’t violating the company policy.
 
Holeshot said:
EasterB: I just don't think Geely is looking to an acquisition...
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Tesla is going to run into a cash problem in the next 1-3 years. They just built a giant factory in China and that's their next big sales opportunity. I think the US is tapped out for growth now that the early adopters have their rides. So what better fit than a Chinese company with gobs of national cash backing acquiring brand equity along with all the tech and patents. There's a reason they bought Lotus and Volvo.

Re: 3rd party, I doubt the average Tesla buyer cares about any mods past maybe rims and floor mats. The Mustang crowd are all going to hop up their cars and spend the money to do it. Do most Mercedes people start bolting on mods? Or would they rather buy the AMG model and show off the upgraded badge on the trunk. Methinks the latter.
 
easter bunny said:
Tesla is going to run into a cash problem in the next 1-3 years. They just built a giant factory in China and that's their next big sales opportunity. I think the US is tapped out for growth now that the early adopters have their rides. So what better fit than a Chinese company with gobs of national cash backing acquiring brand equity along with all the tech and patents. There's a reason they bought Lotus and Volvo.

Re: 3rd party, I doubt the average Tesla buyer cares about any mods past maybe rims and floor mats. The Mustang crowd are all going to hop up their cars and spend the money to do it. Do most Mercedes people start bolting on mods? Or would they rather buy the AMG model and show off the upgraded badge on the trunk. Methinks the latter.
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I think that Tesla owners who have had damage to their vehicle would jump at getting their Tesla repaired in less than 6 months, even if it's an aftermarket part.
 
easter bunny said:
Re: 3rd party, I doubt the average Tesla buyer cares about any mods past maybe rims and floor mats. The Mustang crowd are all going to hop up their cars and spend the money to do it. Do most Mercedes people start bolting on mods? Or would they rather buy the AMG model and show off the upgraded badge on the trunk. Methinks the latter.
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Most owners of any vehicle don’t do much past floor mats if even that. Here at SEMA, there are still plenty of wildly modified M-Bs.
 
Not shocking actually. The cost to certify a manual and automatic transmission option for one model is only worthwhile for performance models...and we don't have many of those. 80% of Corvettes are automatics...
 
Holeshot said:
Not shocking actually. The cost to certify a manual and automatic transmission option for one model is only worthwhile for performance models...and we don't have many of those. 80% of Corvettes are automatics...
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And yet, Toyota is putting them in Corollas still.:laughing
 
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Mostly I notice Tesla mods a wraps, protection film, chrome delete. Occasionally lowering springs, yet this company does custom builds.
 
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byke said:
Wow. That guy is a cartoon version of a person.
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I still watch him, but he’s very much and obviously become a business now. What I mean is that quite a few of the videos these days are sponsored/paid promotion.
 
Yeah, like he went to the Nickelodeon School of Sales. But, if he's go the info you need..
 
I clicked on one of his videos before and couldn’t finish it. There are others like him also whose videos are unwatchable.
Every thumbnail is of them in from of a car with their arms spread wide and their mouth gapping open. Then spouting pure diarrhea out their mouths trying to make every car the most unbelievably amazing experience they’re ever had. .
 
byke said:
Wow. That guy is a cartoon version of a person.
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Shmee, is that a real name?!?!

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