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Defense attorney in Salinas / Monterey County recommendation please

mean dad said:
I'd make 'em take that shit to the box.

:laughing
Dead ass serious. Fuck your plea bargain, show me a jury or gtfo.
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That could be an invaluable learning experience, fun too if you don’t take it too personal. Of course, for some on an emotional edge, it could be tough.
 
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900ss said:
In some ways she is extremely disorganized. She uses self-checkout and is usually taking with someone, be it a fellow shopper or store employee. I have bee with her on numerous occasions and have had to tell her she missed an item. She has a clean record with no priors. She is a frequent shopper at this store (has now been banned for 12 months) and is well known to certain staff. Unfortunately none of them were at work when this went down, not that it might have made a difference. She had me on the phone when she was in the store office; she offered to pay for the item but the man would not let her.

I don't know if hiring an attorney would be worth it. I will take her to her court date, and hopefully I can act as a character witness. I don't know how all this works. I am hoping she gets a slap on the wrist.
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I'm amazed that they're charging her for missing an item in her cart. That's just chickenshit for them to do this over a $7 item.
I don't know of anybody who has never missed an item that was under the flyer or the bags that we bring through. It's an honest mistake and it's an evil person who would force charges on something like this.
 
Eric B said:
There should be a discount for using self checkout.
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Don't give them any ideas m8! Next thing you know and they'll be charging a "convenience fee" for using the self checkout. And when you try to go into the regular line, you'll find out it's self checkout only.
 
I once missed an item at Costco self checkout.

They caught it at the door and there was no issue at all; they just had me wait and rang it up.

No intent on my part to steal the item, and they didn't make me feel at all like I had made a huge mistake.
 
GAJ said:
I once missed an item at Costco self checkout.

They caught it at the door and there was no issue at all; they just had me wait and rang it up.

No intent on my part to steal the item, and they didn't make me feel at all like I had made a huge mistake.
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I was double charged for a single item and they rectified immediately at the receipt check. I no longer mind waiting.
 
Is there video of her entire check out process?
Was there clutter around the checkout station? The bags not placed correctly causing a lack of space placing the scanned items? Was there left over merch on the little stand where you put your stuff/basket pre-scan? Something that would cause distractions during the process?

She's not a trained cashier, and shouldn't be held to the standards of one. The video should most likely show no intent of stealing, and rather a mistake. This should have been easily rectified by security by allowing her to pay for the item.

Since she shops there frequently, (target app member? saved receipts?) it should show a pattern of proper behavior. This would show the isolated incident as an accident by an untrained operator. Does the $7 item that was missed part of a $100 purchase? More evidence that this is a training issue vs a premeditated theft.

Think like a lawyer, or better yet just get one. I hate leaving things to chance/good will of someone else in charge with something that can have a big negative affect me to long term. At least do some free consults with lawyers to get a feel of what might go down in court.
 
GAJ said:
Beyond ridiculous what Target is doing.
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We don't know the full story or if this person has any priors. An attorney is not a bad idea.

Honestly, I would expect if you push the misdemeanor to go to trail, the Prosecutor is going to hammer pretty hard to drop the charge.
 
This is such a crappy situation. Poor lady should have not been treated that way. This makes me never want do self checkout.
 
I was banned from a grocery store as a college student when I put a 9V battery in my upper shirt pocket. I planned to pay for it but forgot about it as I left the store after buying some hand carry items.

I was marched to the back of the store and grilled by the store manager and the police were called. No explanation would suffice.

It sucked because this store was one block from home and I went there frequently. Only time I had the cops called on me. A not a fond memory from my youth. My embarrassment was all encompassing.

CCTV is now ubiquitous in public and in private businesses these days, not to mention cell phones. I miss the 70s.
 
Akira-R said:
Is there video of her entire check out process?
Was there clutter around the checkout station? The bags not placed correctly causing a lack of space placing the scanned items? Was there left over merch on the little stand where you put your stuff/basket pre-scan? Something that would cause distractions during the process?

She's not a trained cashier, and shouldn't be held to the standards of one. The video should most likely show no intent of stealing, and rather a mistake. This should have been easily rectified by security by allowing her to pay for the item.

Since she shops there frequently, (target app member? saved receipts?) it should show a pattern of proper behavior. This would show the isolated incident as an accident by an untrained operator. Does the $7 item that was missed part of a $100 purchase? More evidence that this is a training issue vs a premeditated theft.

Think like a lawyer, or better yet just get one. I hate leaving things to chance/good will of someone else in charge with something that can have a big negative affect me to long term. At least do some free consults with lawyers to get a feel of what might go down in court.
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100% THIS!

From the information I have a normal RETAIL store has so much theft happening, people will just fill carts and baskets and walk out without paying for shit, security is NOT allowed to physically interfere and only record the incidents. (IDK how some of them even bother staying in Buisness, the rest of us a definitely paying for that shit with higher prices I know theft loss is rolled into their pricing math it has to be)

Anyways here is what I would do step by step to get this to hopefully go away.
(assuming there is NO previous record of any other forgetfulness :rolleyes:)

Write a letter:
1. Present her previous shopping history at the store (Transaction Date and Amount from CC statements, over last 2 years probably) no intent
2. Explain the lack of technology training and assistance to older customers from store staff
3. The lack of calibration of the scale for weight differences (IE the machine should have noticed the extra item but the resolution of the scale or the grace area for weight changes is too great to notice a small item)
4. She offered to pay for the item as soon as they noticed the discrepancy. (assuming here she hasn't even made it out of the store yet).

5. Politely explain to the store that if they want to press charges you will get a lawyer to do discovery on ALL of their prior losses in a time period so you can demonstrate this was accidental as opposed to intentional act (discovery for evidence of intentional acts at that location).
6. Perhaps a hint of calling to a local TV station to show aggression on the stores part of pursuing an honest-mistake-person, instead of helping them properly self checkout and chasing down larger theft at that location during the holiday season would all help this make it go away.

GL
 
Jammer said:
I was double charged for a single item and they rectified immediately at the receipt check. I no longer mind waiting.
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This.
The stop at the door is just as much an audit of their own peeps as it is to make sure we're behaving.
 
Climber said:
I'm amazed that they're charging her for missing an item in her cart. That's just chickenshit for them to do this over a $7 item.
I don't know of anybody who has never missed an item that was under the flyer or the bags that we bring through. It's an honest mistake and it's an evil person who would force charges on something like this.
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1,000%!!!!!
 
My dad was a klepto. He would rip things off all the time. Sometimes it was quite comical. He never got caught. I once watched him stick a 3/4" 90° elbow in his pocket. It stuck out like a sore thumb. I asked him what he was doing and he totally denied it. I was probably ten years old at the time. He would often eat the grapes while in the produce section of the supermarket. I helped him steal rebar from a bridge they were modifying at the bottom of the road. He stuck a few 20' lengths through the rear hatch of his VW bus. I had to hold on to it while he drove up the hill. It was sparking along the pavement the whole way. The only thing he said on the drive home was, "Don't let go!"
 
I don’t use self checkout because I don’t work where I shop. Is it convenient? Yeah. But I ain’t getting paid, and there’s no discount for doing it, so someone who’s getting paid can do it.

Also, plead the case. See if you can get it reduced to a petty theft charge. I can’t imagine with a clean record you couldn’t get reduced to an infraction.
 
GAJ said:
At Costco, if you don't have booze it saves a lot of time.

That's worth something.
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Yup! I generally prefer self checkout at Costco, or anywhere else for that matter, for the convenience factor and it's usually faster as well.
 
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