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Lowered Fentanyl overdoses

Climber said:
I think the laws have to change. If there is a concentration of fentynol among the drugs they're trying to sell (caught on them) that would most likely result in death, then clearly their care for others continued existence is non-existant. I'm fine with erasing people like that.
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I can jive with that. Just wasn't sure and thought it was a decent discussion to start.
 
Lights_Guy3 said:
I didn't care at all that I was on my way out. All the warm tinglies, like being hugged on the inside, and purest DGAF feeling I've ever had - absolutely nothing mattered, and I was ok with that.

I can totally see why people like doing that stuff for fun.
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Yeah, not only does it block the pain, it also blocks fear-worry , any sense of emergency......

Room mate; "Come on Wyatt, the house is on fire, you need to get out NOW !"
Wyatt; "You go, Imma sit here & roast marshmallows on the coffee table "

Room mate; "The landlord just gave us the 3 day notice, You need to log into your bank & do the money transfer NOW !"
Wyatt; "I will in a little while, right now I'm watching funny youtube- 'Pranks gone wrong' videos"
 
I haven't heard of that happening in a while.
Thanks for the information.
 
Ridley said:
I want to say that Placer County recently prosecuted someone for murder for selling fentanyl to someone that overdosed and died…or at least starting the legal process to do so.

Edit here it is

Placer County District Attorney’s Office files murder complaint against alleged fentanyl dealer | Placer County, CA

www.placer.ca.gov www.placer.ca.gov
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This is what I was getting at. I understand what Placer county did but how oblivious did this young man have to be have the trail of death lead back to him? That part is unclear from the article unless I'm just reading over it. Most of what I'm catching is the investigation unit was about to follow the trail to catch him.
 
Kurosaki said:
This is what I was getting at. I understand what Placer county did but how oblivious did this young man have to be have the trail of death lead back to him? That part is unclear from the article unless I'm just reading over it. Most of what I'm catching is the investigation unit was about to follow the trail to catch him.
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No one ever said drug dealers are highly intelligent people. My money is on a friend of the dead person knew who sold the drugs.
 
Ridley said:
No one ever said drug dealers are highly intelligent people. My money is on a friend of the dead person knew who sold the drugs.
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That's a believable scenario. I also feel like drug dealers of things as dangerous as fentanyl maybe should tell buyers don't anybody where you got but I understand there are only so many factors you can control with such a dangerous business. Someone's always gonna talk if a friend or family got hurt or worse Or maybe change locations frequnetly and don't use your real name?

I'm doing a lot of silly thought tree stuff, I know.
 
EZ Rider said:
Yeah, not only does it block the pain, it also blocks fear-worry , any sense of emergency......

Room mate; "Come on Wyatt, the house is on fire, you need to get out NOW !"
Wyatt; "You go, Imma sit here & roast marshmallows on the coffee table "

Room mate; "The landlord just gave us the 3 day notice, You need to log into your bank & do the money transfer NOW !"
Wyatt; "I will in a little while, right now I'm watching funny youtube- 'Pranks gone wrong' videos"
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Yea it was so weird. Never felt anything like it.
 
littlebeast said:
good on the county for catching this dealer, but it feels like a long way from the head of the snake.
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Every cop I've known either by friendship of weekend riding buddies, or bar friends, or close family/friends of theirs. Whatever they've told me are different opinions about how things are handled on their end. The common ground between them I found was man, and WOMEN!, power. The smaller patrol lines drawn on a map, maybe it was 'easier' to target the big hitters in some specific areas HARD and break down their drug trade business in one location at a time. No dealer, no drugs. And after that down then move on (knowing they cut the head of one snake, another will grow) to put out a vibe that if they get caught, it ain't gonna be just a night in the slammer before they'd be back out on the street before they'd get a chance at romance with some new suitors.

Or a wider radius with less resources would have to spread that out across the community and plan on, "Dang, Jimmy only got rolled for few for small amounts of cocaine going home from Biology class? Maybe this is not for me."

Just anecdotal to officers I've met and consider friends. YMMV
 
littlebeast said:
good on the county for catching this dealer, but it feels like a long way from the head of the snake.
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Again, it's wholly ineffective to nip at the heels of internet-based "plug" networks fed from the top by a cartel of manufacturers, traffickers, and white-collar distributers untouchable by the LE resources. Where did the 15 year old get it?

Deaths of despair aren't going away so much as the despairing are dying off. Obese people without access to GLPs are dying off. A lot of young people are so risk-averse they don't even experiment with drugs. That's very different than having judgement about drug use, like testing your molly at the rave or club. They are getting hypertension at 15 due to inactivity!

Making deadly drugs widely available and selectively withholding treatment or applying punitive sanctions has always been a policy of some elements in our society. The opioid epidemic was a pearl-clutching moment until wealthy white families started losing their kids. The "head of the snake" is our collective indifference to suffering when it's not happening to us. I mean the royal us, not just white people. Lest some be offended reflexively. Where are the concerns for the greater good that reduces despair?
 
Climber said:
I think the laws have to change. If there is a concentration of fentynol among the drugs they're trying to sell (caught on them) that would most likely result in death, then clearly their care for others continued existence is non-existant. I'm fine with erasing people like that.
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Dealers are just providing a popular service. Focusing on dealers is a large part of the reason the war on drugs has been a colossal failure. The focus should be on the drug addicts. Personally I'm for locking up the addicted and placing them in workcamps.
 
There are plenty of privately run ‘residential workcamps’ for addiction recovery. Many have been controversial in taking advantage of the working residents and providing little to no treatment or using questionable protocols such as Cenikor and Granite Recovery. These groups charge entrance fees, receive government and insurance funding and keep most of the earned income from overtime workweeks that leave no time for whatever they call therapy. These groups have labor contracts with businesses and residents may work with outside employees for a small fraction of the going salary, which is collected by the group for ‘expenses’. The program completion rate is 56% with high recidivism. The recidivism rate of completed programees is almost one third. The problem is the money becomes the focus of these groups and the therapy can be wacky (group scream/shaming and shunning for example) and problematic. Some groups are better than others, those are super duper pricey and out of reach for most. The existing professional mental health system has great approaches but is too unobtainable financially for most and many more therapists would be a good thing.
 
When one door closes, another opens. Y'all can wildly speculate about why stimulants are the new fent, but don't neglect prescription rates of addy to kids for the last 15 years.
www.nbcsandiego.com

Overdose deaths drop dramatically as new trend emerges

Stimulants like methamphetamine and cocaine are set to overtake fentanyl as the next major addiction crisis, local researchers say.
www.nbcsandiego.com www.nbcsandiego.com
 
Melissa said:
work camps don't teach about relapse triggers or coping skills. Working in a camp is punishment for an addicted brain. They get released and continue to use.
Shaming doesn't work imho.
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Then dont release them.
 
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