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So, We Are Going to the Moon Today Huh?

littlebeast said:
you really think people will get worked up over a present day moon landing? something that was already done almost 60 years ago? the wow factor is long gone. probably along with most of the public interest. what’s the pitch? hey - we’re just as smart as granddad was back in the day?
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Agreed.

Also, as expensive as it is to put anything into space, much less landing it on the moon, I don't expect any moon base anytime soon. Then there is the amount of support materials (oxygen and food) to consider since they won't be growing them out there in the near future.

And mars? We're still years away from that. IDK what the advantage of launching from the moon to mars would be over launching from earth.
 
Climber said:
Agreed.

Also, as expensive as it is to put anything into space, much less landing it on the moon, I don't expect any moon base anytime soon. Then there is the amount of support materials (oxygen and food) to consider since they won't be growing them out there in the near future.

And mars? We're still years away from that. IDK what the advantage of launching from the moon to mars would be over launching from earth.
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if you don't have to fight 1G to simply get off the rock you're launching from, you can take a bunch more stuff with you that isn't fuel. you can also budget a bunch of the fuel you do take with you for slowing down once you get to where you're going

there are probably orbital dynamics advantages as well with more advantageous launch windows, also you don't have to fly through a big and increasing debris field before you even get away from the planet.

the moon is basically equivalent to an aircraft carrier
 
auntiebling said:
if you don't have to fight 1G to simply get off the rock you're launching from, you can take a bunch more stuff with you that isn't fuel. you can also budget a bunch of the fuel you do take with you for slowing down once you get to where you're going
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But, you have to get that stuff and the additional fuel up to the moon in the first place.

Granted, once you get all of the tools, materials and personnel up to the moon, you can build a ship in a much smaller gravity which would likely be beneficial, but that will take years to build up.
 
yes you have to get the stuff up there, but we're more or less doing that already with the space station resupply trips.

first visitors to mars is going to happen relatively soon. maybe a flyby like the current moon trip, maybe a "we aren't sure you're coming back" deal who knows. Trips back and forth, building bases etc etc is decades of prep work
 
littlebeast said:
you really think people will get worked up over a present day moon landing? something that was already done almost 60 years ago? the wow factor is long gone. probably along with most of the public interest. what’s the pitch? hey - we’re just as smart as granddad was back in the day?
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So, yes, I think it would, because most of the video records available from the previous missions are not excellent due to the limited technology of the time. More exciting is the unprecedented idea of the lunar moon base. This will be hyped up by the social media hype engines as the direct competition for lunar mineral resources with China is fast becoming a thing.

Orbital territory is most certainly something that plays an important role in continued US global dominance, and much like the threat of Soviet enslavement drove our first space race, the planned domination of Space Territory China intends to obtain by 2045 is similarly driving us to move to excellence in space.

Americans are notoriously lazy and content to maintain the status quo as long as no other nations threaten to disrupt their lazy self-indulgence and reflection. When a clear and imminent danger emerges of another nation to take their position on the couch or even take a hold of the remote control, they rapidly become a beast that so far in 250 years, has been unbeatable.
 
These are some of the pictures that I took of the launch from my back yard. They aren't the greatest, but I only have a 300mm focal length lens.
 

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Eldritch said:
So, yes, I think it would, because most of the video records available from the previous missions are not excellent due to the limited technology of the time. More exciting is the unprecedented idea of the lunar moon base. This will be hyped up by the social media hype engines as the direct competition for lunar mineral resources with China is fast becoming a thing.

Orbital territory is most certainly something that plays an important role in continued US global dominance, and much like the threat of Soviet enslavement drove our first space race, the planned domination of Space Territory China intends to obtain by 2045 is similarly driving us to move to excellence in space.

Americans are notoriously lazy and content to maintain the status quo as long as no other nations threaten to disrupt their lazy self-indulgence and reflection. When a clear and imminent danger emerges of another nation to take their position on the couch or even take a hold of the remote control, they rapidly become a beast that so far in 250 years, has been unbeatable.
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i’m not following the ‘clear and imminent danger’ other than another another country winning a hyper expensive dick swinging contest, with no known ROI other than to win said contest and thump our chest over it. lazy and self-indulgent? the self-indulgent part, i kinda get. it feels like we’re all living in a billionaires wet dream (more than one :rolleyes). but hey - who knows, maybe it’ll lead to the flying cars we all thought we’d have by now. on second thought, if that goes as well as self driving cars…

now, if we could launch a few of these assholes off to mars? my mind could be changed. take all the carry-on bags you want. have a nice flight. don’t come back.
 
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IMO, there’s a huge ROI to space-shot type exploration and science. It comes from the massive influx in spending to science and engineering needed to accomplish that exploration. We rarely get to see the return and massive social impact right away.

Here’s some suggestions for the ROI from Apollo. Huge if true.
innotechtoday.com

12 Technologies that Came Out of Apollo - Innovation & Tech Today

The scientists who sent us to the moon, in the process, invented many technologies, far ahead of their time, that we use in our everyday lives.
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gixxerjeff said:
We already have a guy in here trying to hot-rod his "Busa.
That's plenty for me......
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And honestly, you’re right.
The the Suzuki Hayabusa leaves the factory with enough horsepower to make your soul briefly detach and hover above the seat at wide‑open throttle.
It’s basically a land‑based space program with turn signals.
PaulR
 
we have a satellite around the moon with good enough cameras that can take pics of the tracks and rovers and other stuff left behind from the various Apollo moon missions. pretty cool pics, imo, and easy to find on-line.

this Artemus II mission isn’t expected to be able to see any of the Apollo mission sites this trip, cuz they’ll be too far away without good enough cameras, apparently. (I googled it. :laughing )
 
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Looks like they want to cut $5.5 billion out of the $24.4 billion NASA budget.
 
littlebeast said:
i’m not following the ‘clear and imminent danger’ other than another another country winning a hyper expensive dick swinging contest, with no known ROI other than to win said contest and thump our chest over it. lazy and self-indulgent? the self-indulgent part, i kinda get. it feels like we’re all living in a billionaires wet dream (more than one :rolleyes). but hey - who knows, maybe it’ll lead to the flying cars we all thought we’d have by now. on second thought, if that goes as well as self driving cars…

now, if we could launch a few of these assholes off to mars? my mind could be changed. take all the carry-on bags you want. have a nice flight. don’t come back.
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It isn't that complicated.

Laws rule society, Laws define nations, we exist as a community of nations. This is truth, not a matter of debate.

All laws are violence. Also not a matter of debate.

Those who have the largest economy have the largest ability to generate the most military force, and thereby control the violence, i.e. control the laws, i.e. control the world either directly or indirectly as they see fit.

Direct control is much more expensive, so the US empire has been wildly successful, by understanding this and exerting control since 1945 through indirect control of the rules, rather than the direct control previous empires like Rome, England, Greece, Mongolia, Spain, etc. Tried to do.

Understanding that logical observation of human society, it feels a safe assumption that large nations with violently opposed viewpoints on what laws should govern (China, Soviet Union, Monarchist Britain, theocratic nations, etc.) being in a position to take the role of largest economy and thereby control of the laws, certainly does represent an imminent threat to the United States as it exists today. A similarly minded ally nation like Japan, modern England, modern Germany, or France logically would not.
 
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