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Tesla Model 3: End of the Internal-Combustion Engine?

tzrider said:
Yeah, it’s not like Porsche recalled the cars and addressed the issue proactively. There were a lot of owners whose engines chewed themselves up and they were SOL.
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$15K replacement motor was enough to keep me from buying one that could grenade at any moment. The fix is a couple of grand if you do the work. No idea how much Porsche would charge.
 
Archimedes said:
:laughing You think people would buy an ICE Model 3 for the UI? :laughing

Aside from that being a really stupid reason to choose a car, I don't think it's quite the differentiator that you think it is. UI's have gotten so good in cars across the board. Aside from the fact that the UI in my BMW is really good, even if it wasn't, I wouldn't trade my interior for the Model S interior just to get a better NAV screen. Maybe that's a millennial thing, though given the decline in Tesla demand in the U.S., that may not even be true.

Teslas are mediocre cars wrapped around an innovative drive train.
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UI's are horrible in most automobiles, these days...and they're all-over-the-fucking-place with how the work and what they do. If CarPlay doesn't freeze up your UI, then you're not doing it right.

I'm surprised...VERY surprised that apple hasn't figured this huge market out. A standardized back end UI for auto manufacturers would kill it in the market and this is something directly connected to Apple's user subscription and all-thinks-apple market approach. I was hopeful when they were plodding around with self driving vehicles that they were in fact, developing a one size fits all UI for the backend, marketed to manufacturers.

But Tim Cook is a Kook. Anything smart, like such innovation died with good ol' Jobs. And so we're left with Japanese, Euro, and American shit for brains UI's. Tesla has an excellent one right now, despite their quality woes and issues. I don't own a Tesla because I fear the problems that sit in the wings with owning one, BUT, I do appreciate the shit out Elon. He's a car guy's car guy and does it with Electric units. He's also not one to take any shit...a weird, stoned, South African effort at Tony Stark. But there's a cool factor to his odd ways and full steam ahead approach that's stretched the rubber bands held in place by all the world corporate arena.

Go Musk. I'd love to hate on the guy, but I just can't...and I'd love to hate on Tesla's cause most of the owners bug the shit out of me, but I can't there either. So far, the story is a great American success story. Fingers crossed we kick all the foreign efforts right in the Kilowatts.

tzrider said:
Is it really a warranty if you can’t get anyone to fix the car? :laughing
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You want me to take a dump in a box and stamp it guaranteed, I will...I've got spare time.

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Archimedes said:
... though given the decline in Tesla demand in the U.S....
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You probably can't correctly make that conclusion since, Tesla focuses on different markets for deliveries, September was the 2nd best month in 2019 for Model 3 and the seasonal nature of auto sales. Tesla has indicated that the US backlog is growing as a result.
 
Sharky said:
$15K replacement motor was enough to keep me from buying one that could grenade at any moment. The fix is a couple of grand if you do the work. No idea how much Porsche would charge.
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I haven't done the fix but will when it's time for a clutch.
 
mrzuzzo said:
Nobody's ever died in a BMW while using their cruise control? Do you have a source for that?
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We're not just talking about cruise control, thanks for playing tho :thumbup

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295566 said:
We're not just talking about cruise control, thanks for playing tho :thumbup

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So no numbers?

Any proof that nobody has died in a BMW while the driver-assist features were enabled or no?

Everyone loves to rag on Tesla's safety record but there is no proof that other cars are inherently safer.
 
mrzuzzo said:
So no numbers?

Any proof that nobody has died in a BMW while the driver-assist features were enabled or no?

Everyone loves to rag on Tesla's safety record but there is no proof that other cars are inherently safer.
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Very first google result:

https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-rate-is-more-than-triple-that-of-luxury-cars-and-likely-even-higher-433670ddde17

Tesla’s mortality rate (41 deaths per million vehicle years) is so much higher than the average luxury car (13 deaths per million vehicle years) that when comparing the two, the difference is hugely statistically significant. The difference is 28 additional deaths per million vehicle years, with a confidence interval of 11 to 63, and a p-value of 0.0001.

Remember that, unless California Tesla driver deaths magically went to zero in 2016 as Tesla increased production, and unless there were zero unreported deaths in the rest of the world, the true value for Tesla’s fatality rate is likely even higher. Regardless, Musk’s assertions that Tesla is the “safest vehicle” on the road or “four times better than average” are ridiculous untruths. Tesla’s driver fatality rate was massively higher than luxury peers, and at least 37% higher than the average 2011–2014 car. Musk’s “safest vehicle” on the road claim is as phony as his 2016 solar neighborhood.
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Holeshot said:
Go Musk. I'd love to hate on the guy, but I just can't...and I'd love to hate on Tesla's cause most of the owners bug the shit out of me, but I can't there either. So far, the story is a great American success story. Fingers crossed we kick all the foreign efforts right in the Kilowatts
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I'm 100% with you. Nobody buys American anymore. I have one of the only US brand cars (except a few Jeeps in my neighborhood. You'd think we lost WWII based on the almost exclusive German and Japanese marques I see.

mrzuzzo said:
Everyone loves to rag on Tesla's safety record but there is no proof that other cars are inherently safer.
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For sake of discussion you have to admit there's a HUGE leap between setting cruise control and autonomous driving. I still can't believe they released that parking lot summoning feature. Doesn't the NHTSA require tons of documentation and thousands of hours of testing before you can just let your car drive around on its own?! Someone IS going to get run over but Johnny Cab - then who's at fault?
 
easter bunny said:
I'm 100% with you. Nobody buys American anymore. I have one of the only US brand cars (except a few Jeeps in my neighborhood. You'd think we lost WWII based on the almost exclusive German and Japanese marques I see.
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Meh, I used to buy German and Jap at some point.

German cars began sucking in the 2000s, when their reliability went into the shitter. The new German cars are also butt ugly with massive blingy grilles, but I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

My last two cars were American. Great value, good quality, good features.

For sake of discussion you have to admit there's a HUGE leap between setting cruise control and autonomous driving. I still can't believe they released that parking lot summoning feature. Doesn't the NHTSA require tons of documentation and thousands of hours of testing before you can just let your car drive around on its own?! Someone IS going to get run over but Johnny Cab - then who's at fault?
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The parking lot summon feature is a total shitshow.
 
mrzuzzo said:
Meh, I used to buy German and Jap at some point.

German cars began sucking in the 2000s, when their reliability went into the shitter. The new German cars are also butt ugly with massive blingy grilles, but I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

My last two cars were American. Great value, good quality, good features.



The parking lot summon feature is a total shitshow.
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I cant believe you just said German cars reliability became shitty in the 2000s. The reality is, they just became shittier. Lol.

I have had excellent service from my american cars. Interior is bleh, but those bastards run when asked. Nevermind much lower cost of ownership.
 
295566 said:
Very first google result:

https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-rate-is-more-than-triple-that-of-luxury-cars-and-likely-even-higher-433670ddde17
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Link no workie, but its easily Googled.

I don't understand the vehicle- years metric either. Its hard to die in a car that is not driven. The article's dated and the point is blunted since Tesla has made progress on the prototype Solar Roof, ect.. The comment section is points out the same thing...:rolleyes. There are plenty of other articles that point out the opposite. Smells FUDy.
 
mrzuzzo said:
LOLOLOL. Vehicle years?! An interesting metric that not even the NHTSA uses.

I guess the Ford Model T is the safest vehicle on the road then. Ferraris are also super safe since they aren't driven many miles.

Nice try. Next time try linking to a credible source.
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Killroy1999 said:
Link no workie, but its easily Googled.

I don't understand the vehicle- years metric either. Its hard to die in a car that is not driven. The article's dated and the point is blunted since Tesla has made progress on the prototype Solar Roof, ect.. The comment section is points out the same thing...:rolleyes. There are plenty of other articles that point out the opposite. Smells FUDy.
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Feel free to offer a rebuttal with something more than an opinion.
 
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