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Tesla Model 3: End of the Internal-Combustion Engine?

For the Plaid pre-production prototype at Laguna, I bet they took a engineering mule and dropped in a drive/suspension unit like below. The drive motors are either Model 3 or like the Model 3 motors. The unibody Chassis was probably not modified a lot, maybe some stiffening. The idea is that minimal changes are done and Tesla is not that far off from production and the real production record no matter how much the dead hose is beat. :cool

But those aren't minimal changes when you're talking about a production car. For example, stiffening the chassis to turn a lap time isn't likely a mod that will make it into a production luxury sedan, due to the trade off in terms of ride comfort. Nor is the widened track with massive wheels and track tires on it. Nor is adding a wing for added down force. None of that is remotely likely to make it onto the next production version of the Model S.

Build the car, produce the car, then race/track the car. Musk says that's a year away, which we all know means sometime in mid 2021. Who knows what else will be on the market by then. Tesla built a one off prototype, threw two seats in the trunk and said 'look our 7 seat family sedan is really fast on the track!' It's classic Musk nonsense. It's still an impressive time for a heavy car, but it's not a production car so it really means nothing at this point.

And, honestly, we're talking about street sedans. A Tesla - Porsche track battle involving large sedans is largely irrelevant given the fact that the current version of these cars are already faster than 99.9% of the likely buyers will ever need or use. They've both already eclipsed the useable performance envelope as a street car.
 
The mods you speak of are no small modifications, if true. A wider track is huge...
 
i just read an article about a Model 3 rusting on the A pillars due the car flexing and rubbing metal panels together that shouldn't be moving at all...

Couple that with all the paint problems that Model 3 owners seem to be having and it seems maybe Musk should be more focused on improving build quality on cars they're currently making and less on running prototypes around the race track.
 
The mods you speak of are no small modifications, if true. A wider track is huge...

It's got big fat lightweight forged HREs and prototype Goodyear track tires that required slap on fender flares to fit under the bodywork. The car actually starts to look halfway decent in that form with those wheels, but it's never going to be a production car in that form.
 
Just read a first drive review of the Taycan (I guess the embargo has lifted) and it's glowing. Not only is the car epicly fast, it can be thrashed all day without any loss of power. Chassis is said to be fantastic.

Now if I only had $185k laying around to buy an electric car...
 
It's got big fat lightweight forged HREs and prototype Goodyear track tires that required slap on fender flares to fit under the bodywork. The car actually starts to look halfway decent in that form with those wheels, but it's never going to be a production car in that form.

I wonder if they extended the axle length.
 
I wonder if they extended the axle length.

Who knows. It's clear they also used different suspension components and dropped the car as well. It's a one off prototype. If Porsche had the maturity of a 13 year old like Musk seems to have, they would have trolled Tesla back with a tweet that said something like...'well, if we're going to compare prototypes, ours ran a 5:19.55...' and then added a picture of the 919 EVO.
 
Who knows. It's clear they also used different suspension components and dropped the car as well. It's a one off prototype. If Porsche had the maturity of a 13 year old like Musk seems to have, they would have trolled Tesla back with a tweet that said something like...'well, if we're going to compare prototypes, ours ran a 5:19.55...' and then added a picture of the 919 EVO.

Porsche likes the free advertising. It's like a youtube influencer poo flinging contest. Each side gets more views.

Seven days time, this story ends up in the Internet basement, just like the Jeff Epstein story.
 
In other news, as Tesla is rolling the first test builds of the Model 3s at its Shanghai factory another #Tesla Killer, Nio, is posting big losses. More proof that its hard to be a new car company.

Nio is a Chinese company and has decent EVs (mostly in China now) and has a office in San Jose. Nio has a prototype race car that has a fantastic times at the "Ring". Ive seen their cars over there and the are impressive. They beat Tesla in some areas. China is the largest car market in the world with a focus on EV, so this should be interesting.

Note that Tesla's move is a tariff beating move and Tesla is allowed to operate its Shanghai factory without a Chinese partner which is unprecedented. Bravo!
 
IMO, Tesla is betting everything on China. Without big sales in China, Teslas will struggle to ever be a profitable company. They are counting on Tesla's brand cache in China allowing them to achieve strong sales in the face of the headwinds in that car market.
 
IMO, Tesla is betting everything on China. Without big sales in China, Teslas will struggle to ever be a profitable company. They are counting on Tesla's brand cache in China allowing them to achieve strong sales in the face of the headwinds in that car market.

If they can capture the image of a Status Symbol for the Powerful in China, they will be in the black as soon as they can produce enough to keep up with demand.
 
In other news, as Tesla is rolling the first test builds of the Model 3s at its Shanghai factory another #Tesla Killer, Nio, is posting big losses. More proof that its hard to be a new car company.

Nio is a Chinese company and has decent EVs (mostly in China now) and has a office in San Jose. Nio has a prototype race car that has a fantastic times at the "Ring". Ive seen their cars over there and the are impressive. They beat Tesla in some areas. China is the largest car market in the world with a focus on EV, so this should be interesting.

Note that Tesla's move is a tariff beating move and Tesla is allowed to operate its Shanghai factory without a Chinese partner which is unprecedented. Bravo!

They didn’t just post losses, they straight up cancelled their earnings call.
 
They didn’t just post losses, they straight up cancelled their earnings call.

"(Nio) it has already started cutting headcount, including shutting down its San Francisco office".

I'm guessing that is San Jose, but close enough.

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They had a separate R&D office in SF.

San Jose is still Nio's North American HQ and is still operational.

No idea why or how they are keeping it open.
 
I wonder if they extended the axle length.

Does anyone really think that this rear end is ever going to make it onto a production Model S?
 

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If they can capture the image of a Status Symbol for the Powerful in China, they will be in the black as soon as they can produce enough to keep up with demand.

They're hot in China right now it seems, though I don't think they'll get the same quality pass in China that they get here in the states by the fanboybase, so it will take a couple of years to see how well they really do. China is clearly the make or break Tesla market.
 
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