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What is bullying? Are you a bully?

cause most people who suffer from NPD are infuriating so it is projective identification at its finest.
Wait...... I'm with you on the infuriating part.


Projective identification is a term introduced by Melanie Klein and then widely adopted in psychoanalytic psychotherapy. Projective identification may be used as a type of defense, a means of communicating, a primitive form of relationship, or a route to psychological change;[1] used for ridding the self of unwanted parts or for controlling the other's body and mind.[2]

According to the American Psychological Association, the expression can have two meanings:

  1. In psychoanalysis, projective identification is a defense mechanism in which the individual projects qualities that are unacceptable to the self onto another person, and that person introjects the projected qualities and believes him/herself to be characterized by them appropriately and justifiably.
  2. In the object relations theory of Melanie Klein, projective identification is a defense mechanism in which a person fantasizes that part of their ego is split off and projected into the object in order to harm or to protect the disavowed part.[3] In a close relationship, as between parent and child, lovers, or therapist and patient, parts of the self may, in unconscious fantasy, be forced into the other person.[4]
are you telling me I have some work on myself to do Mel? PM me if so... :laughing
 
it is a unique and often times misunderstood concept that it is a defensive reaction.
 
curing what symptoms? Usually the individual with NPD does not believe that the problem is theirs.
Even though they continue to repeat the patterns in relationships-grandiosity, rage when perceived wrong doings are theirs. Apply this to work and friendship circles-if there are any left.
 
Does this mean you're not going to answer the question asked?

Does everyone need to back away, or just a certain member or two?

Are you going to back away and let it go let it go let it go?
OMG!! You’ve just describe life as a woman!!
No harm, let it go. Let them pontificate it doesn’t hurt you.

:laughing
 
curing what symptoms? Usually the individual with NPD does not believe that the problem is theirs.
Even though they continue to repeat the patterns in relationships-grandiosity, rage when perceived wrong doings are theirs. Apply this to work and friendship circles-if there are any left.
I think you confirm what I believe, that their behavior is so deeply ingrained into their personality that they are incapable of changing because not only do they not see anything wrong with themselves but changing would reduce their lives to what they have spent their whole life trying to escape and cover up to themselves.
 
all the years on da BARF and I have never placed anyone on ignore.
Well maybe that Pigpen dude who was homophobic imho

Oh man...I remember the time Dave (Pigpen) and RobertR1 fought at Lascalla in Walnut Creek over some internet shit. The real days of the internet!

If berto started a counter-steering thread and I immediately posted that even though I had never ridden a motorcycle, I believed counter-steering was a myth and instead new riders should just lean and steer in the direction they wanted to go; and then many many very experienced riders point out that that is incorrect and I didn't have the knowledge base needed to post about counter-steering but I continued to offer shitty advice and even if berto asked politely for me not to post and I ignored him and continued to post about "just lean, man. it'll work out in the corners..." and then the owner of the site asked me to stop posting and I still refused but then mention that yes, maybe I did ride a motorcycle a long time ago but I still don't think counter-steering is needed...


...would y'all be defending my right to shit on his thread?

berto, would you be defending my right to shit on your thread?

Would I defend a right to what you type? Yeah, so long as it fits w/in the TOS. I might bitch about how you say things, cause I prefer positive decorum in a conversation over shots. Would I defend a right to shit on my thread? Yeah. It's happened for 20 years here to almost anyone who's started a thread here on BARF. I just don't like the gang-ups on an individual who's following the TOS...as if people can't read one or two comments made to someone, agree, and move on. That's not how it works tho...instead, everyone needs to signal their agreement with a comment against that one individual...and every comment will be negative, not engaging in a dialogue that's productive to the individual's growth with follow up questions. It gets to be a bit of feeding frenzy at times...

Would you believe someone who said they'd never ridden a motorcycle despite you actually seeing them ride a motorcycle? ST has made comments here that one can conclude he, like all of us, have some deep set anxiety about. I don't believe anyone gets out of this whole life thing without mental scars from just living. When someone says "I don't have any mental issues", what they mean is: "I'm not going to tell anyone my mental issues on this forum". Our mental afflictions are deeply personal and massively complex. Shit, the BARF KS / KSP is a venerable Britannica on how online personalities interact with others.

FWIW, most riders don't understand how a motorcycle steers and engineers who don't ride motorcycles do understand. Technically. Practically, the control to change directions are what's argued about.

I’m an equal opportunity offender. :twofinger

I'm an equal opportunity defender, to a fault. It's hard to watch someone stand alone, getting blasted. That's all.
 
You think all of the responses to him were negative? None of them were an attempt to explain what he was doing wrong? Which ironically enough was exactly what he was doing, explaining something to the masses.
 
I'm an equal opportunity defender, to a fault. It's hard to watch someone stand alone, getting blasted. That's all.
Huh.

I have absolutely been on the receiving end of multiple posters decrying my stance at once and never heard anyone complain about dogpiling. In fact I was asked why I "always have to get the last word in" when defending myself against more than one person in the same thread.

Seems like the terms 'dogpiling' and 'blasted' are used sparingly. :dunno
 
God knows I’ve been on the receiving end. I believe the terms Feminist Nazi, libtard, idiot, c-word, have been hurled at me. I shake it off but god help someone ramming his faux Christian ideals down our throats and he becomes a protected species.
 
and I'm hovering like a fly waiting for the windshield on the freeway
 
I'm an equal opportunity defender, to a fault. It's hard to watch someone stand alone, getting blasted. That's all.
I can respect that... if it's accurate.
I didn't realize we were just talking about that one thread. I already apologized to Martin for losing my temper... and he's not even one of the handful of barfer's I speak of. To avoid conflict, I do my best not to interact with those people directly... except you! :kiss
Anyway, I will try and be as kind and nurturing as I am capable of. I am open to any and all criticism and I have no grudge against anyone on barf.
Party on, Garth! :thumbup
 
Bullies Unite! We need a meet up in meat space!
Berto, what are good dates for you?
 
You think all of the responses to him were negative? None of them were an attempt to explain what he was doing wrong? Which ironically enough was exactly what he was doing, explaining something to the masses.

The difference in response was the level of aggression and tone, IMO. People did try to explain the discontinuity in statements, but that doesn't guarantee the OP is going to agree nor absorb the posts message; especially if they feel attacked by others. The ego seems to go into a defensive mode in the mob response atmosphere, IME.

Huh.

I have absolutely been on the receiving end of multiple posters decrying my stance at once and never heard anyone complain about dogpiling. In fact I was asked why I "always have to get the last word in" when defending myself against more than one person in the same thread.

Seems like the terms 'dogpiling' and 'blasted' are used sparingly. :dunno

I'm not familiar with the thread referenced. It's completely natural to feel a need to defend oneself's position with each incoming post.
 
Bullying, to me, is the use of power such as size, wealth, or authority, in ways meant to coerce or diminish another. This can be true of using the power of facts to bully others into supporting a perspective, or abandoning their own. Presenting an argument is one thing, but browbeating someone into acquiescence is also bullying, especially if several people are doing it at the same time. I'm as guilty of it as anyone- especially when folks are arguing against rights for marginalized peoples- but it's not right either. You win hearts and minds, you don't bully them into submission.

If this were in the PolSink I'd have a lot more to say on the matter that is demonstrated by the behavior of leaders, but I am refraining.
Surprised this post didn't get any play, the actual definition of bullying. It requires a position of power, which to be fair, power can come in the form of 10,000 opinions against 1 opinion, but that has to be weighed against reality, because it's not bullying if you take a position on something that harms people and a mass of other people give you shit for that. That's just you being a piece of shit and other people providing socially responsible resistance.

Society would be an absolute dystopian shithole if everything harmful went unfettered, regardless of law. And Ricky is also correct about bullying needing to be inescapable, but there are practical limits to that too, like being expected to change schools is outside of what most people would consider reasonable, yet not logging in to some regional niche forum, that's obviously incredibly escapable.

As it applies today, what we see far more often than not is big ol' narcissistic crybabies thinking that bullying is just whenever their feelings are hurt, because they're unable to comprehend anything other than their own feelings, and nobody's a bigger crybaby today than the people that say things like "fuck your feelings!" and "don sturt nun!" and all that other fake alpha tuff gai nonsense. Really they're just mad at any opposition to what they're doing, and what they're doing, ironically, is usually something akin to bullying, or a support of bullying (same thing really).

It's hilarious that the only time we see reparations is when bitch ass white guys in positions of power gets their kewt lil feelings hurt.....for being bullies. Today, the bullying kind of gets a pass, even for our bigotboo's in the world, but giving a bully some shit for it gets scorn. It's the trademark of a pussy, they're only willing to be dicks to protect an asshole, but not to push back against the assholes. Basically a microcosm of many regional niche forums, a whole forum can be ruined by just one shart.
 
"It's the trademark of a pussy, they're only willing to be dicks to protect an asshole, but not to push back against the assholes."

I'm trying to visualize this, and while it's pretty fun, it also seems to have this 70's cartoon vibe in my head, and that is a little disconcerting.
 
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